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The Winchester 30-30

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  I have to make an confession here. In that this is my first rifle that I “bought” with my Dad. What that means in Queens English is this. I was not even a teenager. When my Dad told me to give him my weeks allowance.
  Which was about 4 or 5 bucks back then. He then told me to get in the car. Were upon we went down to the Local Sears Roebuck Store. Where he up and bought us a Winchester 94 in 30-30.
  Yeah I know this was back in the Dark Ages. (Circa 1965 I think) When honest citizens could do such things. Lord how I miss that! But that is just the way it is now a days.
 Here is what some of you younger folks missed below.
                             ****FAIR WARNING ***
Now some of you folks should not look at the prices. As you just might get sick about it. As this was before the Government figured out how to use inflation as a tax.
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   But let us get back on track able the Rifle Dad bought. After we got it home and Dad had checked it out. We then went out and put it thru its paces with my Moms Dad. (Grandpa).
  Needless to say both of the Older Guys got to shoot it first. As is right & proper. Then I came up to base. It was at this point that I got a basic lesson about shooting. That & the Laws of Physics.
  Since up to then. All I had been allowed to shoot were BB Guns and 22 Single Shot Rifles. So I foolishly thought this should not be a problem.
  So up it goes into the off hand position. I line up on the Target (a large can). Take a deep breathe & let out half of it. All the while trying to keep the sight on target. Then give it a good squeeze and boom.
 Well things did not work out quite the way I wanted to on that shot. Since I thought that somebody that hit me with a meat tenderizer.  As my should was hurting pretty bad.
  But to make it worse. These two refugees from the nursing home. Are laughing their asses off at me. Now do not get me wrong! As I do love these guys. But come on!
  At least I did not start crying in font of them and really disgrace myself.
Then I learned another little lesson in shooting.
  When you are shooting anything bigger than a 22. MAKE SURE THAT YOU HAVE THE BUTT OF THE RIFLE UP HARD AGAINST YOUR SHOULDER!
  It was also here that I really learned to appreciate recoil pads. That & to avoid Steel Recoil Plates if at all possible.
                             ******Warning******
   Rant about Steel Butt Plates using Adult Conversation coming up!
  The only reason why you would have one on your rifle. Is if you intend to bash some poor souls face in with it. And then only after you have run out of ammo & your bayonet is missing.
  You then write to your Draft Board to tell them. That they are the only & sole reason. As to why you are going to stay alive & come home. Since you want to talk to them about your unwanted experience with the Military in great detail.
  END OF RANT!
  Now here is what I have found about this fine round. It is a really but popular one. Especially since it extremely effective on Deer Size Animals.
  Also most of them come in the carbine mode.  Like the lever action Marlins and Winchesters . Which basically means this. They are a smaller, lighter rifle/ Than say compared to a  full sized Winchester, Remington or a Mauser.
  In plain English translate to this. A light, walking about gun that can be thrown in the back of the ruck and car. In case something shows up that needs killing.
  There are also some made By Ruger in the Number One series. (I have never seen one yet) Also a few were made in the Re-barreled Remington Rolling Blocks. They also are few and far between.
  As to Bolt Actions. Savage mad a series, But they stopped making them a long time ago. See Below.
  Now for the not so good news as my Principal use to say. The 30-30 will probably never win the Palma Cup. As this round is a classic brush round. Where it gets up close and personal.
  Just forget those very long range shots. That come up once in awhile out in the Mid West and Western Half of the Republic. If you are headed out there. Then go get yourself a 243, 25-06, 308, 270 or to be really safe a 30-06.
  You will have to trust me on this one. As Bambi is a pretty smart critter out here.
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  The another issue use to be the bullets. As you could not use Spitzer or sharp pointed bullets in the Lever Actions. Which reall
  Because if you did. The recoil could cause the point of the bullet to hit the primer of the round ahead of it. When that happens.
  You generally will NOT win any Brownie Points at that range. Also a lot of folks may get hurt and not be terribly amused at you. Plus your gun will be FUBAR. (Look it up)
  But then the really smart guys at Hornady. came up with a brilliant solution if I say so myself. In that they combined a soft tip on the bullet. While retaining the Spitzer shape.
Now you it seems that you can have your cake & eat it too! So its Xmas in July and well done to all hands involved!
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 The only other problem with the 30-30 is with the Winchester 94. The problem being that you can not really mount a scope on it. That & frankly the rear sight on them is a joke.
  If you really want to get a sound shooting rifle. Then you are going to have to replace the factory rear sights. With either one of these.
Lyman No. 2 Winchester 94 Tang Sight
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or a

90Mjt Rear Target Sight

by

Lyman

 
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Have a good gun smith handle this job. I know that my old 30-30 left me shoot a hell of a lot better now. Especially with its recold pad on it.
Winchester Model 94 with an add on adjustable rear sight
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Marlin
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The Savage Model 340
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Here is a couple of good videos. So enjoy!
Gun Porn
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The M-1 Carbine

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  Frankly think that the M-1 Carbine is one the most fun rifles to go out plinking with that the Military has ever made. (I have yet to see somebody not smile when one is pulled out of its gun case)
  Since it is light, has almost no recoil, the report is not really obnoxious like say the Ma Deuce 50 Caliber. That and its sighting system is pretty straight forward. With its classic and no non sense Windage and Elevation set up on the rear sight of it.
  That and the ammo does not usually cost an arm or leg. (Most of the times it comes in boxes of 50 rounds in it)
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  Okay so let us move on a bit. Now I shall bore with some of the usual stuff that you have probably heard before about this gun. Like the story & Movie of “Carbine” Williams is pretty well known by most gun nuts like us.
  But I shall paste it for those folks who want to know more down below.
  Right! Let us move on now. This rifle was basically designed to be given to Folks who really did not need to carry a M-1 Garand around when going in Harms Way.
  Like Officers, Support troops like MP’s, Engineers, Signal Corp etc etc. You know folks that are really vital to keep the Grunts supplied, fed & other  good stuff like that.
  Now as a combat weapon itself. It had a mixed record. Since it was not designed to be a main battle rifle. So while some folks swore by it. Some others swore at it.
  My Dad  told me that he saw a China Man in Korea, Who had a thick padded coat on him. Take six or so rounds and nothing happened until he got hit by a Garand round. So penetration might be a problem.
 I have also been told that it is illegal in some areas to hunt deer with it. Dad also went Deer hunting Korea during the war. Since he wanted to get some fresh meat for his kids. Where he got into a huge fire fight with the Enemy over the carcass. But that is another story for another day.
Siberian Roe Deer
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Examples of the Airborne Carbine below.
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Now here is some more technical stuff for those who want it & some other stuff too!

M1 carbine

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Carbine, Caliber .30, M1
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M1 Carbine
Type
Place of origin United States
Service history
In service 1942–1973 (United States)
Used by See Users
Wars World War II
Hukbalahap Rebellion
Malayan Emergency
Suez Crisis
Korean War
Cuban Revolution
First Indochina War
Vietnam War
The Troubles
Cambodian Civil War
Angolan Civil War
Mexican Drug War
Production history
Designer Frederick L. Humeston
William C. Roemer
David Marshall Williams
Designed 1938–1941
Manufacturer Military contractors
Commercial copies
Unit cost $45 (WW2)
Produced November 1941–August 1945 (U.S. Military)
1945–present (Commercial)
No. built 6,121,309 (WWII)[1]
Variants M1A1, M1A3, M2, M2A2, M3
Specifications
Weight 5.2 lb (2.4 kg) empty
5.8 lb (2.6 kg) loaded w/ sling
Length 35.6 in (900 mm)
Barrel length 18 in (460 mm)

Cartridge .30 Carbine (7.62 mm)
Action Gas-operated (short-stroke piston)rotating bolt
Rate of fire Semi-automatic (M1/A1)
750 rounds/min (M2)[2]
Muzzle velocity 1,990 ft/s (607 m/s)
Effective firing range 300 yd (270 m)
Feed system 15- or 30-round detachable box magazine
Sights Rear sight: aperture; L-type flip or adjustable, front sight: wing-protected post

The M1 carbine (formally the United States Carbine, Caliber .30, M1) is a lightweight, easy to use,[3] .30 caliber (7.62 mmsemi-automatic carbine that was a standard firearm for the U.S. militaryduring World War II, the Korean War and well into the Vietnam War. The M1 carbine was produced in several variants and was widely used by not only the U.S. military, but by military, paramilitary and police forces around the world. It has also been a popular civilian firearm.
The M2 carbine is the selective-fire version of the M1 carbine capable of firing in both semi-automatic and full-automatic. The M3 carbine was an M2 carbine with an active infrared scope system.[4]
Despite its name and similar appearance, the M1 carbine is not a shorter version of the M1 Garand rifle. It is a completely different firearm and it fires a different type of ammunition. It was simply called a carbine because it is smaller and lighter than the Garand.
On July 1, 1925, the U.S. Army began using the current naming system where the “M” is the designation for Model and the “number” represents the sequential development of equipment and weapons.[5]Therefore, the “M1 rifle” was the first rifle developed under this system. The “M1 carbine” was the first carbine developed under this system. The “M2 carbine” was the second carbine developed under the system, etc.

Development history

Limitations of weapons in the U.S. arsenal

The M1 Rifle and M1 Carbine share only a buttplate screw and use different sized .30 caliber ammunition

Briefing for staff personnel. Note: Folding stock M1A1 carbine on the table

81 mm mortar crew in action at Camp CarsonColorado, April 24, 1943. The soldier on the left has a slung M1 Carbine.

A U.S. anti-tank crew in combat in the Netherlands, November 4, 1944. The soldier on the far right is holding an M1 Carbine

Prior to World War II, U.S. Army Ordnance received reports that the full-size M1 rifle was too heavy and cumbersome for most support troops (staff, mortarmen, radiomen, etc.) to carry. During prewar and early war field exercises, it was found that the M1 Garand impeded these soldier’s mobility, as a slung rifle would frequently catch on brush, bang the helmet, or tilt over the eyes. Many soldiers found the rifle slid off the shoulder unless slung diagonally across the back, where it prevented the wearing of standard field packs and haversacks.
Additionally, Germany’s use of glider-borne and paratroop forces to launch surprise attacks behind the front lines, generated a request for a new compact infantry weapon to equip support troops.[6][7] This request called for a compact, lightweight defensive weapon with greater range, accuracy and firepower than handguns, while weighing half as much as the Thompson submachine gun or the M1 rifle.[6] The U.S. Army decided that a carbine would adequately fulfill all of these requirements, but specified that the new arm should weigh no more than five pounds and have an effective range of 300 yards.[8][9] Paratroopers were also added to the list of intended users and a folding-stock version would also be developed.

Designing the M1 carbine

In 1938, the Chief of Infantry requested that the Ordnance Department develop a “light rifle” or carbine, though the formal requirement for the weapon type was not approved until 1940. This led to a competition in 1941 by major U.S. firearm companies and designers.
Winchester at first did not submit a carbine design, as it was occupied in developing the .30-06 Winchester M2 Military Rifle. The rifle originated as a design by Jonathan “Ed” Browning, brother of the famous firearm designer John Browning. A couple of months after Ed Browning’s death in May 1939, Winchester hired David Marshall “Carbine” Williams who had begun work on a short-stroke gas piston design while serving a prison sentence at a North Carolina minimum-security work farm. Winchester, after Williams’ release, had hired Williams on the strength of recommendations of firearms industry leaders, and hoped Williams would be able to complete various designs left unfinished by Ed Browning, including the Winchester .30-06 M2 rifle. Williams incorporated his short-stroke piston in the existing design. After the Marine Corps semi-automatic rifle trials in 1940, Browning’s rear-locking tilting bolt design proved unreliable in sandy conditions. As a result, the rifle was redesigned to incorporate a Garand-style rotating bolt and operating rod, retaining Williams’ short-stroke piston. By May 1941, Williams had shaved the M2 rifle prototype from about 9.5 lb (4.3 kg) to a mere 7.5 lb (3.4 kg).
Ordnance found unsatisfactory the first series of prototype carbines submitted by several firearms companies and some independent designers.[10] Winchester had contacted the Ordnance Corps to examine their rifle M2 design. Major René Studler of Ordnance believed the rifle design could be scaled down to a carbine which would weigh 4.5 to 4.75 lb (2.0–2.2 kg) and demanded a prototype as soon as possible. The first model was developed at Winchester in 13 days by William C. Roemer, Fred Humeston and three other Winchester engineers under supervision of Edwin Pugsley, and was essentially Williams’ last version of the .30-06 M2 scaled down to the .30 SL cartridge.[11] This patchwork prototype was cobbled together using the trigger housing and lockwork of a Winchester M1905 rifle and a modified Garand operating rod. The prototype was an immediate hit with army observers.[12]
After the initial army testing in August 1941, the Winchester design team set out to develop a more refined version. Williams participated in the finishing of this prototype. The second prototype competed successfully against all remaining carbine candidates in September 1941, and Winchester was notified of their success the very next month. Standardization as the M1 Carbine was approved on October 22, 1941. This story was the loose basis for the 1952 movie Carbine Williams starring James Stewart. Contrary to the movie, Williams had little to do with the carbine’s development, with the exception of his short-stroke gas piston design. Williams worked on his own design apart from the other Winchester staff, but it was not ready for testing until December 1941, two months after the Winchester M1 Carbine had been adopted and type-classified. Winchester supervisor Edwin Pugsley conceded that Williams’ final design was “an advance on the one that was accepted”, but noted that Williams’ decision to go it alone was a distinct impediment to the project,[11] and Williams’ additional design features were not incorporated into M1 production. In a 1951 memo written in fear of a patent infringement lawsuit by Williams, Winchester noted his patent for the short-stroke piston may have been improperly granted as a previous patent covering the same principle of operation was overlooked by the patent office.[11]
In 1973 the senior technical editor at the NRA contacted Edwin Pugsley for “a technical last testament” on M1 carbine history shortly before his death 19 Nov 1975. According to Pugsley, “The carbine was invented by no single man,” but was the result of a team effort including Bill Roemer, Marsh Williams, Fred Humeston, Cliff Warner, at least three other Winchester engineers, and Pugsley himself. Ideas were taken and modified from the Winchester M2 Browning rifle (Williams’ gas system), the Winchester 1905 rifle (fire control group), M1 Garand (buttstock dimensions and bolt and operating slide principles), and a percussion shotgun in Pugsley’s collection (hook breech and barrel band assembly/disassembly).[13]

Features

WW II M1 Carbine with a magazine pouch mounted on the stock that held two spare 15-round magazines

U.S. Army Rangers resting in the vicinity of Pointe du Hoc, which they assaulted in support of “Omaha” Beach landings on “D-Day”, 6 June 1944. Note Ranger in right center, apparently using his middle finger to push cartridges into a M-1 carbine magazine. The carbine and a backpack frame are nearby.

Closeup of M1 carbine receiver. Note: original flip sight and push button safety.

Comparison of M1 Carbine magazines. Original 15-round magazine on left and 30-round on right.

Paratrooper armed with a folding stock M1A1 carbine, fires a bazooka at an enemy pillbox on Greary Point, Corregidor.

Marine armed with an M1 Carbine and M8 grenade launcher attached to the muzzle, during the Battle of Iwo Jima.

Ammunition

The .30 Carbine cartridge is essentially a rimless version of the then obsolete .32 Winchester Self-Loading cartridge introduced for the Winchester Model 1905 rifle.[14] The propellant was much newer, though, taking advantage of chemistry advances. As a result, the .30 Carbine is approximately 27% more powerful than its parent cartridge. A standard .30 Carbine ball bullet weighs 110 grains (7.1 g), a complete loaded round weighs 195 grains (12.6 g) and has a muzzle velocity of 1,990 ft/s (610 m/s) giving it 967 ft·lbf (1,311 joules) of energy, when fired from the M1 carbine’s 18″ barrel.
At 100 yards (91 m), the M1 carbine can deliver groups between 3 and 5 inches, sufficient for its intended purpose as a close-range defensive weapon. The M1 carbine has a maximum range of 300 yards (270 m). However, bullet drop is significant past 200 yards (180 m).[14] Therefore, the M1 has practical effective range of about 200 yards.[15]
By comparison, the .30-06 M1 Garand is almost 3 times more powerful than the Carbine. M1 Garand rifles fire a .30 caliber ball bullet weighing 152 grains (9.8 g) at a muzzle velocity of 2,805 ft/s (855 m/s) giving a muzzle energy of 2,655 ft/lb (3,600 joules). However, the M1 carbine’s ballistics are markedly superior to the .45ACP caliber submachine guns in common use at the time. As a result, the carbine offers much better range, accuracy and penetration.[6] The M1 is also half the weight of a Thompson submachine gun and fires a lighter cartridge. Therefore, soldiers armed with the Carbine can carry much more ammunition than those armed with a Tommy Gun.
Categorizing the M1 carbine series has been the subject of much debate. Although commonly compared to the later German StG44 and Russian AK-47, the M1 and M2 carbines are under-powered and outclassed by comparison.[16]The Carbine instead falls somewhere between the submachine gun and the assault rifle, and could be called a Personal Defense Weapon since it fulfilled a similar role.
One characteristic of .30 Carbine ammunition is that from the beginning of production, non-corrosive primers were specified. This was the first major use of this type of primer in a military firearm. Because the rifle had a closed gas system, not normally disassembled, corrosive primers would have led to a rapid deterioration of the gas system.[17] The use of non-corrosive primers was a novelty in service ammunition at this time.[18] Some failures to fire were reported in early lots of .30 Carbine ammunition, attributed to moisture ingress of the non-corrosive primer compound.[19]

Sights

The M1 carbine entered service with a simple flip sight, which had two settings: 150 and 300 yards.[20] However, field reports indicated that this sight was inadequate, and in 1944, it was replaced by a sliding ramp-type adjustable sight with four settings: 100, 200, 250 and 300 yards.[21] This new rear sight was also adjustable for windage.

Magazines

The M1 carbine entered service with a standard straight 15-round box magazine. The introduction of the select-fire M2 carbine in October 1944[22] also brought into service the curved 30-round magazine or “Banana Clip”.[23] After WW2, the 30-round magazine quickly became the standard magazine for both the M1 and M2 carbines, although the 15-round magazine remained in service until the end of the Vietnam war.[24]
Perhaps the most common accessory used on the M1 carbine was a standard magazine belt pouch that was mounted to the right side of the stock and held two extra 15-round magazines. After the introduction of the 30-round magazine, it was common for troops to tape two 30-round magazines together, a practice that became known as “Jungle style“. This led the military to introduce the “Holder, Magazine T3-A1” also called the “Jungle Clip”, a metal clamp that held two magazines together without the need for tape.
The 30-round magazines introduced for use with the selective-fire M2 Carbine would not be reliably retained by the magazine catch made for the original M1 Carbine which was designed to retain a 15-round magazine, so the much heavier (when loaded) 30-round magazine would not be properly seated in the M1 Carbine magazine well. The loaded 30-round magazine would typically cant (impairing feed reliability) or even fall out, which helps explain why the 30-round magazines have a poor reliability record (they are also more prone to damage due to their added length and weight when loaded as thin steel is used to make them). Thus early production M1 Carbines must be fitted with the type IV magazine catch used on the M2 Carbine (and late production M1 Carbines) if it is to be used with 30-round magazines. The type IV magazine catch will have a leg on the left side to correspond with the additional nub on the 30-round magazines.[25] It is also desirable to load 30-round magazines with only 25 rounds to protect their springs from metal fatigue, which can occur if they are left fully loaded for long periods.[citation needed]
Also, in the heat of combat, the M1 carbine’s magazine release button was often mistaken for the safety.[21] This caused soldiers to accidentally release the magazine when they meant to disengage the safety. As a result, the push-button safety was redesigned into a rotating lever-type safety.[21][26]

Accessories

Due to requests from the field, the carbine was modified to incorporate a bayonet lug starting in 1945.[27] However, very few carbines with bayonet lugs reached the front lines before the end of World War II. By the start of the Korean War, the bayonet lug-equipped M1 was standard issue. It is now rare to find an original M1 carbine without the bayonet lug. The M1 carbine mounts the standard M4 bayonet, which was based on the earlier M3 fighting knife and formed the basis for the later M5M6 and M7 bayonet-knives.
A folding-stock version of the carbine (the M1A1) was also developed after a request for a compact and light infantry arm for airborne troops. The Inland Division of General Motors manufactured 140,000 of them in two product runs in late 1942.[22] They were originally issued to the 82nd and 101st Airborne divisions but were later issued to all army airborne units and the US Marine Corps.[22]
As carbines were reconditioned, parts such as the magazine catch, rear sight, barrel band without bayonet lug, and stock were upgraded with current standard-issue parts. Also, both during and after WW2, many semi-automatic M1 carbines were converted to select-fire M2 carbines by using the T17 and T18 conversion kits.[28] The conversion included a modified sear and slide and added a disconnector, disconnector lever, and selector switch that could be set for semi-auto or full-automatic fire.
During World War II, the T23 (M3) flash hider was designed to reduce the muzzle flash from the carbine, but was not introduced into service until the advent of the M3 carbine.[29] With the exception of T23 hiders mounted on M3 carbines, few if any T23 flash-hider attachments saw service during the war, though unit armorers occasionally hand-built improvised compensator/flash-hiders of their own design.[29][30]
The M1 carbine was used with the M8 grenade launcher, which was developed in early 1944. It was fired with the .30 Carbine M6 Grenade Blank cartridge to launch 22 mm rifle grenades. Stress from firing rifle grenades would eventually crack the carbine’s stock. It also could not use the M8 launcher with an M7 auxiliary “booster” charge (to extend its range) without breaking the stock. This made it a type of emergency-issue weapon.

Production

American infantrymen of the 290th Regiment fight in fresh snowfall near Amonines, Belgium. Soldier in foreground is armed with an M1 carbine.

A total of over 6.1 million M1 carbines of various models were manufactured, making it the most produced small arm for the American military during World War II (compared with about 5.4 million M1 rifles and about 1.3 million Thompson submachine guns). Despite being designed by Winchester, the great majority of these were made by other companies (see list of Military contractors below). The largest producer was the Inland division of General Motors, but many others were made by contractors as diverse as IBM, the Underwood typewriter company, and the Rock-Ola jukebox company. Few contractors made all the parts for carbines bearing their names: some makers bought parts from other major contractors or sub-contracted minor parts to companies like Marlin Firearms or Auto-Ordnance. Parts by all makers were required to be interchangeable. Often one company would get ahead or behind in production and parts would be shipped from one company to the other to help them catch up on their quota. When receivers were shipped for this purpose the manufacturers would often mark them for both companies. One of the stranger combinations were the M1’s made by the combined efforts of Underwood and Quality Hardware. ([31] This receiver was subcontracted from Union Switch and Signal, not Underwood) One has to wonder what the GI thought when he looked at the manufacture’s name of the Carbine he had been issued to carry into battle when it was marked UN-QUALITY.[32] Many carbines were refurbished at several arsenals after the war, with many parts interchanged from original maker carbines. True untouched war production carbines, therefore, are the most desirable for collectors.[33]
The M1 carbine was also one of the most cost effective weapons used by the United States Military during World War II. At the beginning of World War II the average production cost for an M1 carbine was approximately $45, about half the cost of an M1 rifle at approximately $85 and about a fifth of the cost of a Thompson submachine gun at approximately $225. The .30 Carbine ammunition was also far cheaper to produce than the standard .30-06 ammunition; used less resources, was smaller, lighter, faster and easier to make. These were major factors in the United States Military decision to adopt the M1 carbine, especially when considering the vast numbers of weapons and ammunition manufactured and transported by the United States during World War II.

U.S. combat use

World War II

U.S. Marine in combat at Guam.

M1 Carbine at First Iwo Jima Flag Raising

The M1 carbine with its reduced-power .30 cartridge was not originally intended to serve as a primary weapon for combat infantrymen, nor was it comparable to more powerful assault rifles developed late in the war. However, it was markedly superior to the .45-caliber submachineguns in use at the time in both accuracy and penetration,[6] and its lighter .30 cartridge allowed soldiers to carry more ammunition. As a result, the carbine was soon widely issued to infantry officers, American paratroopers,[34] NCOs, ammunition bearers, forward artillery observers, and other frontline troops.[35] The first M1 carbines were delivered in mid-1942, with initial priority given to troops in the European Theater of Operations (ETO).[6]
The M1 carbine gained generally high praise for its small size, light weight and firepower, especially by those troops who were unable to use a full-size rifle as their primary weapon.[36][37] However, its reputation in front-line combat was mixed and negative reports began to surface with airborne operations in Sicily in 1943,[38] and increased during the fall and winter of 1944.[39]
In the Pacific theater, soldiers and guerrilla forces operating in heavy jungle with only occasional enemy contact praised the carbine for its small size, light weight, and firepower.[40] The Carbine bullets would easily penetrate the front and back of steel helmets, as well as the body armor used by Japanese forces of the era.[41][42] Soldiers and Marines engaged in frequent daily firefights (particularly those serving in the Philippines) found the weapon to have insufficient penetration and stopping power.[43][44] Reports of the carbine’s failure to stop enemy soldiers, sometimes after multiple hits, appeared in individual after-action reports, postwar evaluations, and service histories of both the U.S. Army and the U.S. Marine Corps.[43][45]
The carbine’s exclusive use of non-corrosive-primer ammunition was found to be a godsend by troops and ordnance personnel serving in the Pacific, where barrel corrosion was a significant issue with the corrosive primers used in .30-06 caliber weapons.[43] However, in the ETO some soldiers reported misfires attributed to moisture ingress of the non-corrosive primer compound.[19]

Selective-fire version

U.S. Army troops fighting in the streets of Seoul, Korea. September 20, 1950. The M1 in the foreground has the bayonet mounted.

Initially, the M1 carbine was intended to have a select-fire capability, but in order to speed up development it was decided to omit this feature. On 26 October 1944, in response to the Germans’ widespread use of automatic weapons, especially the Sturmgewehr 44 assault rifle, the select-fire M2 carbine was adopted, along with a new 30-round magazine. The M2 had a fully automatic rate-of-fire of about 850–900 rounds-per-minute. Although actual M2 production began late in the war (April 1945), US Ordnance issued conversion-part kits to allow field conversion of semi-auto M1 carbines to the selective-fire M2 configuration. These converted M1/M2 select-fire carbines saw limited combat service in Europe, primarily during the final Allied advance into Germany. In the Pacific, both converted and original M2 carbines saw limited use in the last days of the fighting in the Philippines.[30]

Infrared sight versions

The M3 carbine was an M2 carbine with the M2 infrared night sight or sniperscope.[4] The M3 did not have iron sights.[4] It was first used in combat by Army units during the invasion of Okinawa, about 150 M3 were used on Okinawa. For the first time, U.S. soldiers had a weapon that allowed them to visually detect Japanese infiltrating into American lines at night, even during complete darkness. A team of two or three soldiers was used to operate the weapon and provide support.[46]At night, the scope would be used to detect Japanese patrols and assault units moving forward. At that point, the operator would fire a burst of automatic fire at the greenish images of enemy soldiers.[46] The M3 carbine had an effective range of about 70 yards (64 meters), limited by the visual capabilities of the sight.[47] Fog and rain further reduced the weapon’s effective range.[46][47] However, it is estimated that fully 30% of Japanese casualties inflicted by rifle and carbine fire during the Okinawan campaign were caused by the M3 carbine.[46]
The system was refined over time, and by the Korean War the improved M3 infrared night sight was in service. The M3 sight has a longer effective range than its predecessor, about 125 yards (114 meters). However, it still required the user to carry a heavy backpack-mounted battery pack to power the scope and infrared light. They were used primarily in static defensive positions in Korea to locate troops attempting to infiltrate in darkness. In total, about 20,000 sets were made before they became obsolete, and were surplussed to the public.

Korean War

M1 carbine in action during Korean War. Note: 30-round magazine, stock pouch for two 15-round Magazine and grenade launcher.

U.S. Marines holding captured Chinese Communists during fighting on the central Korean front. Note: M1 carbine with mounted bayonet

By the Korean War, the select fire M2 carbine had largely replaced the submachine-gun in U.S. service[48] and was the most widely used Carbine variant.[49][50] Although, the semi-auto M1 carbine was also widely used- especially by support troops. However, in Korea, all versions of the carbine soon acquired a widespread reputation for jamming in extreme cold weather,[51][52][53]this being eventually traced to weak return springs and poor maintenance under the harsh conditions.[54][55]
There were also many complaints from individual soldiers that the carbine bullet failed to stop heavily clothed[56][57][58][59] or gear-laden[60][61][62] North Korean and Chinese (PVA) troops even at close range and after multiple hits.[52][54][63]Marines of the 1st Marine Division also reported instances of carbine bullets failing to stop enemy soldiers, and some units issued standing orders for carbine users to aim for the head.[64][65] PVA infantry forces who had been issued captured U.S. small arms disliked the carbine for the same reason.[66]
A 1951 official U.S. Army evaluation reported that …”There are practically no data bearing on the accuracy of the carbine at ranges in excess of 50 yards. The record contains a few examples of carbine-aimed fire felling an enemy soldier at this distance or perhaps a little more. But they are so few in number that no general conclusion can be drawn from them. Where carbine fire had proved killing effect, approximately 95 percent of the time the target was dropped at less than 50 yards.”[67] The evaluation also reported that …”Commanders noted that it took two to three engagements at least to settle their men to the automatic feature of the carbine so that they would not greatly waste ammunition under the first impulse of engagement. By experience, they would come to handle it semiautomatically, but it took prolonged battle hardening to bring about this adjustment in the human equation.”[67]
Despite its mixed reputation, the M2 carbine’s firepower often made it the weapon of choice, when it came to night patrols in Korea.[67][68] And, troops would tape two or three 30 round magazines together to speed up the process of reloading.[68]The M3 carbine with its infrared sniperscope was also used against night infiltrators, especially during the static stages of the conflict. M3 operators would not only use their carbines to dispatch individual targets, but also used tracer ammo to identify troop concentrations for machine gunners to decimate.[68]

Vietnam War

ARVN soldiers with M1 carbines and U.S. Special Forces with M16s

The M1 and M2 carbines were again issued to U.S. forces during the Vietnam War, particularly with United States Air Force Security Police and United States Army Special Forces. These weapons began to be replaced by the M16 and by 1964 they were generally out of service by the mid 1970s, although they were used in limited numbers by U.S. troops and security personnel until the fall of Saigon in 1975.
At least 793,994 M1 and M2 carbines were given to the South Vietnamese and were widely used throughout the Vietnam War.[69] A number were captured during the war by Vietcong.[70] “While the carbine’s lighter weight and high rate of fire made it an excellent weapon for small-statured Asians, these guns lacked sufficient hitting power and penetration, and they were eventually outclassed by the AK-47 assault rifle.”[16]
The M1/M2/M3 carbines were the most heavily produced family of U.S. military weapons for several decades. They were used by every branch of the U.S. Armed Forces.

Foreign usage

Winston Churchill fires an American M1 carbine during a visit to the US 2nd Armoured Division on Salisbury Plain, 23 March 1944.

British officers: Brigadier “Mad” Mike Calvert (left) gives orders to Lieutenant-Colonel Shaw, while Major James Lumley stands with M1 carbine under his arm, after the capture of Mogaung in Burma during the second Chindit expedition, June 1944.

After World War II, the M1 and M2 carbines were widely exported to U.S. allies and client states (1,015,568 to South Korea, 793,994 to South Vietnam, 269,644 to France, etc.),[69] they were used as a frontline weapon well into the Vietnam War era, and they continue to be used by military, police, and security forces around the world to this day.

British Army

During World War II, the British SAS used the M1 and M1A1 carbines after 1943. The weapon was taken into use simply because a decision had been taken by Allied authorities to supply .30 caliber weapons from US stocks in the weapons containers dropped to Resistance groups sponsored by an SOE, or later also Office of Strategic Services (OSS), organizer, on the assumption the groups so supplied would be operating in areas within the operational boundaries of U.S. forces committed to Operation Overlord.[citation needed] They were found to be suited to the kind of operation the two British, two French, and one Belgian Regiment carried out. It was handy enough to parachute with, and, in addition, could be easily stowed in an operational Jeep. Other specialist intelligence collection units, such as 30 Assault Unit sponsored by the Naval Intelligence Division of the British Admiralty, which operated across the entire Allied area of operations, also made use of this weapon.[citation needed]. The Carbine continued to be utilized as late as the Malayan Emergency, by the Police Field Force[71] of the Royal Malaysian Police, along with other units of the British Army,[72][73] were issued the M2 Carbine for both jungle patrols and outpost defense. The Royal Ulster Constabulary also used the M1 carbine.[74]

German Army

Small numbers of captured M1 carbines were used by German forces in World War II, particularly after D-Day.[75] The German designation for captured carbines was Selbstladekarabiner 455(a). The “(a)” came from the country name in German; in this case, Amerika. It was also used by German police and border guards in Bavaria after World War II and into the 1950s. The carbines were stamped according to the branch they were in service with; for instance, those used by the border guard were stamped “Bundesgrenzschutz“. Some of these weapons were modified with different sights, finishes, and sometimes new barrels.

Japanese Army

A variant was produced shortly after World War II by the Japanese manufacturer Howa Machinery, under U.S. supervision. These were issued to all branches of the Japan Self-Defense Forces, and large numbers of them found their way to Southeast Asia during the Vietnam War.

Israel Defense Forces

The M1 carbine was also used by the Israeli Palmach-based special forces in the 1948 Arab-Israeli War. And, because of their compact size and semi-auto capabilities, they continued to be used by Israeli Defence Forces after the creation of Israel. The Israeli police still use the M1 carbine as a standard long gun for non-combat elements and Mash’az volunteers.

French

The U.S. provided France with 269,644 M1 and M2 carbines from World War II to 1963.[76] The M1 carbine was used by the French Paratroopers and Legionnaires during the Indo-China War and Algerian War.[77] The M1 carbine was also popular in French Expeditionary Force in Vietnam because of it was ideal for use at close ranges, being better suited to jungle fighting than French standard infantry rifles. French troops discovered its ammunition was deadlier in close range combat.

South Vietnamese Popular Force members on patrol with M1 carbines.

ROK troops armed with M1 carbines during the Vietnam War.

Che Guevara atop a mule in Las Villas provinceCuba, in November 1958, with an M2 Carbine.

South Vietnam

The U.S. provided the Army of the Republic of Vietnam with 793,994 M1 and M2 carbines from 1963 to 1973.[76] Along with tens of thousands of Carbines left behind by the French after the First Indochina War, the M1 and M2 carbines were the most widely issued small arm during the early stages in the Vietnam War and remained in service in large numbers until the fall of Saigon. The South Vietnamese would also received 220,300 M1 Garands and 520 M1C/M1D rifles,[78] and 640,000 M-16 rifles.
The Viet Cong also use large numbers of M1 and M2 Carbines, captured from the French, ARVN and local militia forces of South Vietnam. As well as receiving many thousands of Carbines from the North Vietnamese Army (NVA), China and North Korea. Over time, the SKS and eventually the AK-47 would replace the Carbine to become the dominant weapons used by the Viet Cong.

South Korea

The Republic of Korea Armed Forces received 1,015,568 M1 and M2 carbines from 1963 to 1972.[69] Along with hundred thousands of Carbines and M1 Garands provided by the United States Army before, during and shortly after the Korean war, South Korea would become the largest single recipient of American M1 and M2 carbines.
The Republic of Korea also took an active role in the Vietnam War. From 1964 to 1973, South Korea sent more than 300,000 troops to Vietnam armed primarily with M1 and M2 carbines, as well as M1 Garands. The South Korean Army, Marine Corps, Navy, and Air Force all participated as an ally of the United States. The number of troops from South Korea was much greater than those from Australia and New Zealand, and second only to the U.S. military force.

Philippines

The government of the Philippines still issues M1 carbines to the infantrymen of the Philippine Army’s 2nd Infantry Division[citation needed] assigned in Luzon Island (some units are issued just M14 Automatic Rifles and M1 Carbines) and the Civilian Auxiliary Forces Geographical Unit (CAFGU) and Civilian Volunteer Organizations (CVO)spread throughout the Philippines. Certain provincial police units of the Philippine National Police (PNP) still use government-issue M1 carbines as well as some operating units of the National Bureau of Investigation (NBI). In many provinces of the Philippines, M1 carbines are still highly valued as a light small arm. Elements of the New People’s Army and Islamic Secessionist movement value the carbine as a lightweight weapon and preferred choice for mountain and ambush operations.
The M1 carbine has become one of the most recognized firearms in Philippine society, with the Marikina City-based company ARMSCOR Philippines still continuing to manufacture .30 caliber ammunition for the Philippine market.

Counter insurgency

The M1 and M2 carbines were widely used by military, police, and security forces and their opponents during the many guerrilla and civil wars throughout Latin America until the 1990s, when they were mostly replaced by more modern designs. A notable user was Che Guevara who used them during the Cuban Revolution and in Bolivia where he was executed by a Bolivian soldier armed with an M2 Carbine.[79]
In Rio de JaneiroBrazil, a police battalion named Batalhão de Operações Policiais Especiais (BOPE, or “Special Police Operations Battalion”) still uses the M1 carbine.

Users

The unit data provided below refers to original U.S. Ordnance contract carbines the United States provided these countries. Many countries sold, traded, destroyed, and/or donated these carbines to other countries and/or private gun brokers.[69]

Current users

South Korean soldiers training with M1919A6s. Note: ROK soldier armed with M1 carbine to the left. Photo taken August 13, 1950

Former users

Ethiopian soldiers deployed with U.S.-made weapons somewhere in Korea, 1953. Note the M1 Carbine with two 30-round magazines taped together “Jungle style“.

Dutch police officer shoots teargas ammunition from the muzzle of an M1 carbine, during a blockade and demonstration against the nuclear power plant Dodewaard. September 18, 1981

Variants

The standard-issue versions of the carbine officially listed and supported were the M1, M1A1, M2 and M3.[97]

M1A1 Carbine. Paratrooper model with folding buttstock and late issue adjustable sight and bayonet lug.

Carbine, Cal .30, M1A1

Carbines originally issued with the M1A1 folding stock were made by Inland, a division of General Motors and originally came with the early “L” nonadjustable sight and barrel band without bayonet lug. Inland production of M1A1 carbines was interspersed with Inland production of M1 carbines with the standard stock. Stocks were often swapped out as carbines were refurbished at arsenals. An original Inland carbine with an original M1A1 stock is rare today.

Carbine, Cal .30, M1A2

  • Proposed variant with improved sight adjustable for windage and elevation
  • Produced only as ‘overstamped’ model (an arsenal-refurbished M1 with new rear sight and other late M1 improvements)

Carbine, Cal .30, M1A3

  • Underside-folding pantograph stock, 15-round magazine.
  • Type standardized to replace the M1A1 but may not have been issued.
  • Pantograph stock was more rigid than the M1A1’s folding stock and folded flush under the fore end. A more common name for this type of stock is an underfolder.

Carbine, Cal .30, M2

M2 Carbine, note: the selector lever on the left side, opposite of the bolt handle.

Exploded view of the M2 Carbine.

  • Early 1945
  • Selective fire (capable of fully automatic fire)
  • 30-round magazine or 15 standard issue
  • About 600,000 produced

Initially, the M1 carbine was intended to have a selective-fire capability, but the decision was made to put the M1 into production without this feature. Fully automatic capability was incorporated into the design of the M2 (an improved, selective-fire version of the M1), introduced in 1944. The M2 featured the late M1 improvements to the rear sight, addition of a bayonet lug, and other minor changes.
Research into a conversion kit for selective fire began May 1944; the first kit was developed by Inland engineers, and known as the T4. Inland was awarded a contract for 500 T4 carbines in September 1944. Although the conversion was seen as satisfactory, the heavier 30-round magazine put greater strain on the magazine catch, necessitating the development of a sturdier catch. The slide, sear, and stock design also had to be modified. On fully automatic fire, the T4 model could fire about 750 rounds per minute, but generated a manageable recoil.[98]
Although some carbines were marked at the factory as M2, the only significant difference between an M1 and M2 carbine is in the fire control group. The military issued field conversion kits (T17 and T18) to convert an M1 to an M2. Legally a carbine marked M2 is always a machine gun for national firearms registry purposes.
These M2 parts including the heavier M2 stock were standardized for arsenal rebuild of M1 and M1A1 carbines.
A modified round bolt replaced the original flat top bolt to save machining steps in manufacture. Many sources erroneously refer to this round bolt as an ‘M2 bolt’ but it was developed as a standard part for new manufacture M1 and later M2 carbines and as a replacement part, with priority given to use on M1A1 and M2 carbines.[99] The slightly heavier round bolt did moderate the cyclic rate of the M2 on full automatic.[100]
Despite being in demand, very few M2 carbines saw use during World War II, and then mostly in the closing days against Japan.[101] The M2 carbine was logistically compatible with the millions of M1 carbines in U.S. service, and offered longer range, better accuracy and better penetration than (pistol caliber) submachine guns like the Thompsons and Grease Guns.[102] Therefore, after World War II, the M2 carbine largely replaced the submachine-guns in U.S. service, until it was itself replaced by the M16 rifle.[48]
The M2 model was the most widely used Carbine variant during the Korean War.[103] A detailed study of the effectiveness of the M2 in the war was assembled by S. L. A. Marshall. He found that many troops complained on the lack of effective range of the gun, which allowed the enemy to get close enough to throw hand grenades. A more detailed analysis showed however that most troops who complained actually tended to run low on ammo, because they fired their M2 on fully automatic too soon. Troops who fired their guns on semi-automatic at distance generally complained less about the M2’s effectiveness. Generally, the more seasoned troops used the latter approach. The carbine was usually given to second line troops (administrative, support, etc.), who had little combat experience and also did not have much training in small-unit tactics, but who usually had to engage the enemy at some critical moment, like a breakthrough or ambush. Marshall noted that almost all killing shots with carbines in Korea were at ranges of 50 yards or less. It was unsurprising therefore that the M2 was a preferred weapon for night patrols.[104] The M2 was also used in the early stages of the Vietnam War by special forces, ARVN advisers, and air crews.[105]
Contemporary authors have struggled to categorize the M2 carbine. On one hand, it is more powerful than a submachine gun and is considered by some to be an assault rifle, even though it fires a projectile considerably less powerful than the StG 44‘s 7.92×33mm Kurz. On the other hand, the M2 can also be considered a precursor of the modern personal defense weapon (PDW) concept, even though contemporary guns in that category, like the FN P90, fire substantially different cartridges like the 5.7×28mm.[106]

Carbine, Cal. 30, M2A2

  • Arsenal-refurbished (overstamped M2) model

Carbine, Cal .30, M3

  • M2 with mounting (T3 mount) for an early active (infrared) night vision sight.
  • About 3,000 produced.
  • Three versions of night sight (M1, M2, M3)

Original Korean War era USMC M3 Night Vision Scope

The M3 carbine was an M2 carbine fitted with a mount designed to accept an infrared sight for use at night. It was initially used with the M1 sniperscope, and an active infrared sight, and saw action in 1945 with the Army during the invasion of Okinawa. Before the M3 carbine and M1 sniperscope were type-classified, they were known as the T3 and T120, respectively. The system continued to be developed, and by the time of the Korean War, the M3 carbine was used with the M3 sniperscope.
The M2 sniper scope extended the effective nighttime range of the M3 carbine to 100 yards. In the later stages of the Korean War, an improved version of the M3 carbine, with a revised mount, a forward pistol grip, and a new M3 sniperscope design was used in the latter stages of Korea and briefly in Vietnam. The M3 sniperscope had a large active infrared spotlight mounted on top of the scope body itself, allowing use in the prone position. The revised M3/M3 had an effective range of around 125 yards.[47] Eventually, the M3 carbine and its M3 sniperscope would be superseded by passive-design night vision scopes with extended visible ranges; the improved scopes in turn required the use of rifle-caliber weapons with flatter trajectories and increased hit probability.

Derivatives

Ingram SAM

The Ingram SAM rifles are M1 carbine derivatives in 5.56×45mm NATO (SAM-1), 7.62×39mm (SAM-2) and 7.62×51mm NATO (SAM-3). These are occasionally found on auction sites for collectors. The 5.56×45mm versions accept M16 magazines, the 7.62×39mm accept AK magazines and the 7.62×51mm versions use FN FAL magazines.

Military contractors

Commercial copies

Several companies manufactured copies of the M1 carbine after World War II, which varied in quality. Some companies used a combination of original USGI and new commercial parts, while others manufactured entire firearms from new parts, which may or may not be of the same quality as the originals. These copies were marketed to the general public and police agencies but were not made for or used by the U.S. military.
In 1963, firearms designer Melvin M. Johnson introduced a version of the M1 carbine called the “Spitfire” that fired a 5.7 mm (.22 in) wildcat cartridge known as the 5.7 mm MMJ or .22 Spitfire.[14] The Spitfire fired a 40-grain (2.6 g) bullet with a muzzle velocity of 2850 ft/s (870 m/s) for a muzzle energy of 720 foot-pounds force (980 J).[109] Johnson advertised the smaller caliber and the modified carbine as a survival rifle for use in jungles or other remote areas.[109] While the concept had some military application when used for this role in the selective-fire M2 carbine, it was not pursued, and few Spitfire carbines were made.[109]

An Auto-Ordnance AOM-130 Carbine manufactured in 2007.

More recently, the Auto-Ordnance division of Kahr Arms began production of an M1 carbine replica in 2005 based on the typical M1 carbine as issued in 1944, without the later adjustable sight or barrel band with bayonet lug. The original Auto-Ordnance had produced various parts for IBM carbine production during World War II, but did not manufacture complete carbines until the introduction of this replica. The AOM110 and AOM120 models (no longer produced) featured birch stocks and handguards, Parkerized receivers, flip-style rear sights and barrel bands without bayonet lugs. The current AOM130 and AOM140 models are identical except for American walnut stocks and handguards.[110][111]
In 2014, Inland Manufacturing, LLC in Dayton, Ohio introduced the reproduction of the “Inland M1 Carbine”. Inland Manufacturing, LLC is a private entity that is producing reproductions of the M1 Carbine and M1A1 Paratrooper models that were built by the original Inland Division of General Motors from 1941 to 1945. The new Inland M1 carbines feature many of the same characteristics of the original Inland Carbines and are manufactured in the USA. The M1 carbine is modeled after the last production model that Inland manufactured in 1945 and features a type 3 bayonet lug / barrel band, adjustable rear sights, push button safety, round bolt, and “low wood” walnut stock, and a 15-round magazine. A 30-round mag catch was utilized to allow high-capacity magazines. A “1944” M1 Carbine is also available that has the same features as the 1945 only with a Type 2 barrel Band and 10-round magazine and is available for sale in most states with magazine capacity & bayonet lug restrictions. The M1A1 is modeled after a late production 1944 M1A1 Paratrooper model with a folding “low wood” walnut stock, Type two barrel band, and includes the same adjustable sights which were actually introduced in 1944.[112]
An Israeli arms company (Advanced Combat Systems) offers a modernized bullpup variant called the Hezi SM-1.[113] The company claims accuracy of 1.5 MOA at 100 yards (91 m).[114]
Other commercial manufacturers have included:

  • Alpine of Azusa, Calif.[115]
  • AMAC or Jacksonville, Ark. (acquired Iver Johnson Arms)[116]
  • AMPCO of Miami, Fla.[117]
  • Bullseye Gun Works of Miami, Fla.[118]
  • Crosman Air Rifle; produced an M1 Carbine lookalike[119]
  • ERMA’s Firearms Manufacturing of Steelville, Mo.[120]
  • Erma Werke of Dachau, Bavaria serviced carbines used by the West German police post World War II. Manufactured replacement parts for the same carbines. Manufactured .22 replica carbines for use as training rifles for police in West Germany and Austria and for commercial export worldwide.[121][122]
  • Federal Ordnance of South El Monte, Calif.[123]
  • Fulton Armory of Savage, MD[124]
  • Global Arms[125]
  • H&S of Plainfield, NJ (Haas & Storck, predecessor of Plainfield Machine)[126]
  • Howa of Nagoya, Japan, made carbines and parts for the post-World War II Japanese and Thai militaries, and limited numbers of a hunting rifle version[127]
  • Inland Manufacturing of Dayton, Ohio[128]
  • Israel Arms International (IAI) of Houston, Texas assembled carbines from parts from other sources[129]
  • The Iver Johnson Arms of Plainfield, NJ and later Jacksonville, Ark., (acquired M1 Carbine operations of Plainfield Machine) and followed the lead of Universal in producing a pistol version called the “Enforcer”.[130]
  • Johnston-Tucker of St. Louis, Mo.[131]
  • Millvile Ordnance (MOCO) of Union, N.J. (predecessor of H&S)[132]
  • National Ordnance of Azusa, Calif. and later South El Monte, Calif.[133]
  • NATO of Atlanta, GA[134]
  • Plainfield Machine Company of Plainfield, N.J. and later Middlesex, N.J. (P.O. Box in Dunellen, N.J.), M1 Carbine manufacture later purchased and operated by Iver Johnson[135]
  • Rock Island Armory of Geneseo, Ill.[136]
  • Rowen, Becker Company of Waterville, Ohio[137]
  • Springfield Armory of Geneseo, Ill.[138]
  • Texas Armament Co. of Brownwood, Tex.[139]
  • Tiroler Sportwaffenfabrik und Apparatenbau GmbH of Kugstein, Austria manufactured an air rifle that looked and operated like the M1 Carbine for use in training by Austria and West Germany.[140]
  • Universal Firearms of Hialeah, Fla. – Early Universal guns were, like other manufacturers, assembled from USGI parts. However, beginning in 1968, the company began producing the “New Carbine”, which externally resembled the M1 but was in fact a completely new firearm internally, using a different receiver, bolt carrier, bolt, recoil spring assembly, etc. with almost no interchangeability with GI-issue carbines.[141]

    Universal was acquired by Iver Johnson in 1983 and moved to Jacksonville, Ark. in 1985.

  • Williams Gun Sight of Davison, Mich. produced a series of 50 sporterized M1 Carbines[142]

Hunting and civilian use

Patty Hearst holding a sawed-off M1 “Enforcer” Carbine during her infamous bank robbery attempt.

After World War II, the M1 carbine became a popular plinking and ranch rifle. It is still popular with civilian shooters around the world and is prized as a historically significant collector’s item. The Carbine continues to be used in military marksmanship training and competitive target matches conducted by rifle clubs affiliated with the Civilian Marksmanship Program(CMP).
The M1 carbine can be used for big-game hunting, such as white-tailed deer and mule deerat close range (less than 100 yards), but is definitely underpowered for larger North American game such as red deerelkmoose, and bear. A standard .30 Carbine soft-point round weighs 110 grains (7.1 g) and has a muzzle velocity of about 1,990 ft/s (610 m/s) giving it about 967 ft·lbf (1,311 joules) of energy.[143] By comparison, a 110gr .357 Magnum bullet fired from an 18″ rifle barrel, has a muzzle velocity of 1718 ft/s (523 m/s) and 720 ft/lb (976 joules) of muzzle energy.[144] 30 Carbine sporting ammunition is factory recommended for hunting and control of large varmints like coyotefox or bobcat.[143]
Some U.S. states prohibit use of the .30 Carbine cartridge for hunting deer and larger animals due to a lessened chance of killing an animal in a single shot, even with expanding bullets. The M1 Carbine is also prohibited for hunting in several states such as Pennsylvania[145] because of the semi-automatic function, and Illinois[146]which prohibits all non-muzzleloading rifles for big game hunting. Five-round magazines are commercially made for use in states that limit the capacity of semi-automatic hunting rifles.
Some indoor pistol ranges may permit the firing of an M1 carbine, as its bullet is comparable to magnum handgun rounds, whereas an AR-15, AK-47 or other high-velocity rifle might penetrate the backstop.
New Jersey lists the “M1 Carbine Type” as a banned assault firearm although most examples of the M1 Carbine technically meet the restrictions on semi-automatic rifles identified by the state. Although not banned by name, make or model, M1 Carbines may in some cases be classified as contraband assault weapon under the 2013 NY SAFE act if they feature bayonet lugs, pistol grips, folding stocks and flash suppressors. 10-round magazines are available in states that restrict magazine capacity for civilian firearms.
The M1 carbine was also used by various law enforcement agencies and prison guards, and was prominently carried by riot police during the civil unrest of the late 1960s and early 1970s; until it was replaced in those roles by more modern .223 caliber semi-automatic rifles such as the Ruger Mini-14 and the Colt AR-15 type rifles in the late 1970s and early 1980s.
The ease of use and great adaptability of the weapon led to it being used by Malcolm X and Patty Hearst. Both were featured in famous news photographs carrying the carbine.

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Ammunition types

Main article: .30 Carbine

The ammunition used by the military with the carbine include:[147]

  • Cartridge, Caliber .30, Carbine, Ball, M1
  • Cartridge, Grenade, Caliber .30, M6 (also authorized for other blank firing uses, due to a lack of a dedicated blank cartridge)
  • Cartridge, Caliber .30, Carbine, Dummy, M13
  • Cartridge, Caliber .30, Carbine, Ball, Test, High Pressure, M18
  • Cartridge, Caliber .30, Carbine, Tracer, M16 (also rated as having an incendiary effect)
  • Cartridge, Caliber .30, Carbine, Tracer, M27 (dimmer illumination and no incendiary effect)

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  Now again I am no expert but I have been using firearms now for over 40 plus years. I also have shot all of the rounds below at one point or another.

 So just maybe I might know what I am talking about. But none the less, take this with a grain of salt.
The 22 Long Rifle – This round has been around now for over a century. Which should tell you some thing. As it has generally been the round to go to. When none wants to trin on thei first real weapon.
Bottom Line – Its cheap , very accurate at short range & has no real recoil. It can also be used in pistols and rifle.
The 9mm Luger – A classic pistol round from Germany. It s one of the most popular rounds used by Police and the Military.
Bottom Line – It used to be a very cheap round when an ocean of it was imported into this country years ago. It is also very accurete at short distances with less recoil. That and is a so-so self defense round in my humble opinion.
  It also spawned the 380 round and a few others.
The 38 Special – This use to be the caliber for most Police Departments before the Cops started carrying high capacity automatics.
  It has a relatively light recoil and is very accurate in a good pistol. If and when one moves up to the center fire cartridges, This would make for a good choice.
The 357 Magnum –  This round was developed because of folks like Bonnie & Clyde back n the 1930’s. When the cops had to start shooting thru cars.
  It is a very brutal round with a lot of recoil and penetration power. It isn’t not the round to start off with a rookie as recoil and report are pretty hefty
The 44 Special & 44 Magnum – Now we are talking about some seroius fire power. These mighty rounds pack a lot of punch and recoil.
  But if you are going up against something big & nasty. That and if you only have a pistol. This is a very good choice. I myself prefer the 44 Special as it has a bit less recoil and is very accurate to boot.
The one bad thing about it is that Ammo in this caliber can be costly.
The 45 ACP –  The Combat round as far as I am concerned.
  This Brusier of a round has been around since before WWI.
  It also has a proven track record of being a serious man stopper. Now it takes a while to get up to the proper level of skill to use this thing. As its recoil is not unnoticable. But it is time well spent in my opinion.
Ammo for it is also easy to find and will not brak the bank
The 45 Long Colt- Another star of the Silver screen. I doubt that there are many men of my gneration. That did not own a cap gun that looked like a Colt SAA.
  It too also has a proven track record of stopping a fight. But finding ammo for it can be both expensive and harf to find.
Rifle Rounds
The 223 Remington – The Army made this round popular. It is a first rate varmit round and a good, accurate target round.
Unless there is a panic or something. Ammo is usuallu plentiful and not too expensive. That and there is a wide variety of it too.
The 22-250 – if want a little more power or want tohit the critters / varmits farther out. Then this is a good choice.
This & the 243 are great starter rounds for the young shooter. Who wants to move up the ladder to centerfire.
The 243 – The best  deer round for the ladies and our smaller folks who want a great all round medium caliber round. I love it for the light recoil and its accuracy at medium range.
The 257 Roberts – Now this round is an oldie but a goodie. That the pundits are always saying its obsolete.
  But for some reason. They are a hard rifle to find to buy . That and they keep making ammo for it. You do the math and see what you think.
The 6.5 Creedmoor – I finally jumped on the Bandwagon & I am glad that I did. If you want a really great long range rifle round that will perform. Then this is the place!
The 30-30 –  The Star of many a Western Movie. This round has probably killed more Deer than any other round. It is a great bush gun round for close range shooting.
The 308 – One of the best rounds that I have used now that my back started acting up. It is an all around medium caliber round. That a lot of Snipers use in their deadly work.  Also as a added plus.  The recoil is not too bad all things considered.
The 30-06 – What can I say about this round. But that the US Army had used it to settle arguements for almost 60 years.
That & a lot of Germans, Japanese, Koreans and Chinese could testify to its effectiveness  if they were alive that is.
The 300’s – there are really only two of these that I have shot myself. The 300 Win Mag and the 300 H&H.
  Both are really a souped up 30-06 in disguise. They are both very accurate at long range and pack a mighty punch on both ends of the gun.
The 375 H&H – If I was going back to Alaska. Then this round would come with me.
  It has a great reputation there & in Africa. It is also the minium caliber to hunt dangerous game lawfully in most of Africa. It also packed a mighty good punch at both ends.
The 458 Win Mag  – The big gun. If you are planning on Jurassic Park coming true soon in your neighborhood. Then you might want to consider this monster. As it will basically kill anything alive out there.
  All things considered. It has a huge recoil and is fairly accurate at close range. Just make sur that the gun is heavy enough and has a good recoil
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Now here are what I think are some of the Better Looking Rifles.
I hope that you like them !
 

577 nitro express rifleH&H 10g Paradox-3720         Call= .700 Nitro Express Manufactured by the Belgian company FN Herstal (FN).Anderson Wheeler Skyfall Edition - James Bond Double RifleA move is quietly afoot that could place a pre-1900 .45/70 "buffalo rifle" in your Ohio deer hunting hands, if you and fellow fans of traditional black-powder cartridge rifles are willing to work for it.  Toby Bridges, of the International BPCR (Black Powder Cartridge Rifle) Hunting Association, based in Cape Girardeau, Mo., is one of the prime movers in an effort to convince wildlife agencies in the "shotgun only" states to allow use of these vintage-style arms for deer hunting.  Note that w...
 
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How I got the idea of the name of this Blog

 
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Now I do not know if you have seen this film. But I always liked it. I usually showed this movie to my Students just before Christmas oops I mean Winter Break.
So now you know where I got the idea from. I hope that you like it.
All the Best! From the Ex Teacher your Parents warned you about!
Grumpy
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How to turn salt water into safe drinking water

I saw this U Tube a couple of Days and thought it was pretty neat!
Hopefully you will never have to use it. But one never knows right?
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Advice on how on Buying a Pistol

 
So you think that you found a pistol that you would like to add as a new member to the family?  Well Done!

  Okay here is a few hopefully helpful hints. On what to look for before you slam down some of your hard earned money on the counter.
Now pistols come in basically three flavors
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Revolvers Single Action or Double Action*
Single action – You have to cock the Hammer every time to shoot
or  Double action. When you can just pull the trigger and the gun will go off!
Single Shots** The name is kind of self explaining
Semi Automatic*
What to look for when thinking of seriously buying the pistol
Is the price realistic?
Look it up on the computer at some of the gun auction sites. This will give you a good sense of what it is really worth
How expensive and available is the ammo?
A 41 Colt ammo cost a lot more and is harder to find than say a 22 Long Rifle
This some of the more popular calibers out there that are fairly easy to find.
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How do the grips look like? But do not freak out about this. Since Today you can easily get a replacement grip at a fairly reasonable price for most pistols.
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Unless you want to go whole hog and then the sky is the limit.
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I myself like Pachmyr grips. Yeah they are ugly and plastic.
But they really help my score at the range.
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What kind of overall shape is the gun in?
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Note any Rust, holster wear, marks, dings, scars, no serial numbers etc.
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This is very important! As it will tell you if the gun is safe / legal to shoot and its value down the road.
What does the barrel look like?
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The lands and grooves should be clear and sharp. (These are cuts in the barrel which help the bullet go straighter)
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****Do yourself a favor and pass on the deal. Its a turkey and may be dangerous to the user & folks near when it goes off!***
Now a lot of crafty gun seller will put a nice coat of oil on the gun for sale.
Since Oil can & will cover a lot of sins and problems. So get a rag and wipe it as dry as you can get it.
Who is this guy selling this gun to you?
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They are a lot of stories about cops doing stings on selling guns illegally.
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Also remember the Courts for the most part allow Cops to lie to folks.
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So only buy from Reputable folks. It will pay off in the long run.
Old Joke – Two guys are sitting in their cell, One say say to the other. “She sure didn’t look like no cop to me!”
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* I stole this from another site since it is better than I can explain it
Single-action (left) and double-action (right) revolvers come in nearly every shape and size.
Single actions (left) and double actions (right) come in nearly every shape and size.

Revolvers come in many flavors, many shapes and sizes, and many different configurations. The two main platforms are the single action and the double action. Which one is best for you is ultimately a matter of preference. Which is most comfortable in your hand, and more importantly the revolver you can shoot most accurately, is the one you should choose.

Single and Double Action Differences
Single actions derive their name from the fact that they can only be fired by cocking the hammer and squeezing the trigger one shot at a time, whereas the double action can be fired in the same manner as the single action or simply by squeezing the trigger to fire – hence “double action.”
All modern day single-action revolvers are based, however loosely, on the Colt Single Action Army (SAA). So timeless was the design that it is still in wide use today. There are a number of manufacturers of single-action revolvers, including Ruger, Freedom Arms, Magnum Research, Uberti and Colt.
Double-action revolvers are available from Smith & Wesson, Colt, Ruger and Taurus on the new and used markets. Colt’s excellent Anaconda is no longer in production, but it can be found used and makes for an excellent choice for hunting or as a back-up weapon.
Both types of revolvers can be chambered in calibers adequate for big-game hunting and protective back-up duty, but they handle recoil differently. Double actions tend to transfer all of their recoil straight back into the web of your hand, while single actions have a propensity to exhibit barrel rise and are designed to roll upward (particularly in the case of single actions equipped with “plow handle”-type grips).
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** As the name implies, single shot refers to any firearm–which may be a pistol, rifle or shotgun–that has no magazine and holds a maximum of one cartridge at any given time
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semiautomatic pistol is a type of pistol that issemiautomatic, meaning it uses the energy of the fired cartridge to cycle the action of the firearm and advance the next available cartridge into position for firing. … A semiautomatic pistol harnesses the energy of one shot to reload the chamber for the next.
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Buying a Rifle Part 3

Now moving right along, Sorry that this is a very long diatribe!

Let us move along to the action of the rifle.
Does it operate smoothly?
This video will give an idea as to how it should go as concerning smoothness. The first 30 seconds is all you need to see.
If yes then you are good to go!
How does the metal of the gun look like?
Does it look uniformly clean w/o any rust, pits, stains, scars, bulges, cracks or stuff like that?
How does the inside of the barrel look like?
It should look like this
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How does the trigger feel?
Ask if you can dry fire it.
If the trigger have a reasonable resistance to pressure and then breaks clean. (You will feel it when you do it.)
If not – You can still think about getting it. Since you can usually replace the trigger with an aftermarket one. Which will cost around another $100.
Move on the next section
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Buying a Rifle Part 2

********Trigger Warning – Adult Profanity coming up!**********

Yeah I am a real windy Bastard at times. So thank you for bearing with me so far!
  Now where was I? Oh yeah buying a Rifle! As you can see my my C.R.S.* is acting up!
 Let us say that you have found a worthy candidate of a Rifle to add to you group of foster guns. As President Teddy Roosevelt (The Good Roosevelt*) would say “Bully!”.
  Right! Now is the time to turn on your cold hard eyes and do a serious inventory on the condition of this Long Arm.
Now I generally start from the Butt or bottom of a rifle and move my way up.
Does this rifle have a but plate or a recoil pad on it. If so what shape is it in?
If it has a recoil pad. How hard is it. I have bought some rifles that the pad could break concrete.
If you have to replace the pad. Then it will probably cost you a C Note or $100 dollars to those Yankees out there.
Are there any cracks, scars, scratches,blemishes on or near the toe & heel of the butt? If yes then pass on it. Unless you get a big discount.
Yes! You can replace a stock. But that is very expensive. With either your choice of wood or a good plastic one.   (I hate most plastic gun parts by the way)
So when I say expensive think at least $200 and up. IF you can find a good Gun Smith & if he has time for it. So add another couple of hundred to the tally.
NO I AM NOT TRY TO SCARE YOU! But I do want you to go in with your eyes open Okay?
Unless you can get a good deal on E bay. But that can be a gamble at times with E bay.
More later
* Theodore was a great sportsman and had a great collection of guns. Hopefully one day. I can go to Oyster Bay, NY and see his home. Which has been turned into a Museum. Serious Hint – By the by. Did I mention that I take gifts on Paypal by the way?