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WEIRDEST WHEELGUN OF THE WORLD WARS: SOVIET M1895 NAGANT REVOLVER By Will Dabbs, MD

Gefreiter Hans Fleischer had been at war for two years now. He could remember little else. Now as he leapt into a filthy Soviet trench five kilometers from the forsaken city of Kursk he knew he was likely about to die.

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The M1895 Nagant revolver served the soldiers of Russia in two World Wars, a revolution and many other conflicts. It is also one of the more unusual wheelguns to see widespread use.

Fleischer had felt the exultant rush of Barbarossa before enduring the grinding defeats that followed. With Operation Citadel he had hoped their fortunes might turn. As he crouched behind his spanking new MP43 assault rifle, his men arrayed around him, Fleischer had the dark realization that this likely wasn’t going to matter. The Bolsheviks fought like animals, and they were dug in too deep. Even alongside the vaunted Panthers and Tigers, there was no way even his beloved Grossdeutschland was going to crack this nut.

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A Soviet officer leads troops against German soldiers in 1944. He is carrying the M1895 revolver. Image: Armor Plate Press

Gefreiter Fleischer served with the most revered Panzergrenadier division in the Wehrmacht. At this moment, however, the Grossdeustchland was spending itself on the Soviets’ simply breathtaking defenses. The blood spilled this day could never be replaced.

Fleischer rounded the next corner and ran headlong into a clot of brown uniforms and indexed his storm gun. Before he could fire something struck his left arm like a sledge, tearing the automatic rifle out of his grasp and spinning him to the ground. As his vision dimmed he saw his comrades as they advanced over and around him, firing as they went. Then everything went black.

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This assault trooper is ready to take on the invaders. In addition to his SMG and grenades, he is armed with a Nagant revolver. Image: Courtesy of author

Fleischer awoke in a field hospital. When finally he could think, he asked what had happened. They explained that he had been stitched up the left arm with a Russian burp gun. They had done the best they could, but the arm was gone. Hans Fleischer’s war was over.

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Soviet troops wearing the iconic Budyonny cap (the “Budenovka”) while charging across a field. The officer in the center carries the M1895 Nagant revolver. Image: NARA

As he struggled with conflicting feelings of horror, remorse and relief, they handed him a parcel wrapped in brown cloth. Inside he found a bloodstained Russian pistol. They explained that his comrades had taken the gun from the man who had shot him. They made them promise it would not be stolen. When he was able, he cleaned the gun as best he could and stowed it among his things.

Now-civilian Hans Fleischer recovered in time and began work in a plant building FW 190 fighter planes. His sole functioning arm kept him off of the assembly line, but he was still an NCO at heart. Fleischer supervised the line making landing gear actuators and was forever ahead of his quota. The captured Russian pistol resided in a wooden box in his closet at home.

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The M1895 Nagant revolver killed untold numbers in the hands of the KGB and other Soviet security officers. Image: Armor Plate Press

Like all wars, this one did eventually end. As fate would have it Hans Fleischer’s home fell in the American sector. The Yankees enforced their own rules, but they were generally fair. They did not vent their frustrations on the civilian population as did the Soviets. Among those rules was a prohibition against private firearms ownership on penalty of death.

There had been some kind of disturbance, and the American MPs were in his home before Fleischer could respond. They remained respectful and did not loot his personal things, but they were thorough. Soon a young American Sergeant was studying the ugly Russian revolver. His eyes met those of Hans Fleischer. Both men knew what this meant. Without a word, the young American dropped the Russian gun into the pocket of his field jacket and departed. He figured there would be little good to come from executing a one-armed Kraut over such as this.

Origin Story

The M1895 Nagant revolver was a unique design. The brainchild of brothers Leon and Emile Nagant, the M1985 replaced such handguns as the Smith and Wesson Model 3 in Russian service. Leon and Emile had already made a name for themselves with the Tsar for the roles they played in designing the Mosin-Nagant Model 91 bolt-action rifle.

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The M1895 Nagant revolver was a 19th-century design with some quirky mechanical attributes.

Initial production began in Liege, Belgium. However, the operation soon moved to the Tula Arsenal in Russia. The Tula facility typically turned out around 20,000 copies per year. Prior to 1918, the M1895 was produced in both officer and enlisted versions. The officer’s model was both single and double action, while the enlisted version was single action only.

Following the Russian Revolution, the M1895 revolver saw widespread service with both military and security forces. Presentation versions sporting a red star in the grip were prized among esteemed party members during the tumultuous 1930’s. The gun was supplemented with TT33 Tokarev autoloaders starting in 1933, but still served throughout the war. The M1895 was not fully retired from the Russian postal security service until 2003.

Technical Details

The M1895 Nagant revolver is a truly bizarre design. Apparently, the Nagant brothers were deeply offended by the cylinder gap intrinsic to revolvers. Never mind that countless hundreds of thousands of wheelguns that did just fine sporting this minuscule gap. The Nagants were determined to engineer a solution.

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Loading the M1895 Nagant revolver was accomplished by feeding one cartridge at a time via a pivoting gate on the side.

The end result was a unique pistol firing a unique round. The 7.62x38mm Rimmed cartridge sports a case that telescopes up and around the flat-faced bullet. The case mouth is crimped slightly to secure the bullet in place. In addition, as the revolver’s action cycles, it rotates the cylinder and then pushes it forward slightly to form a secure gas seal between the cartridge and the near end of the barrel. This forward movement of the cylinder necessitated a ridiculously long firing pin mounted on the hammer. While mechanically fascinating, none of that really made much difference in the grand scheme and resulted in a minor benefit of velocity savings.

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NKVD troops training with the M1895 Nagant during WWII. The NKVD was the secret police used by the Soviet Union for political repression, including forced labor camps and mass executions. Image: Courtesy of author

The rest of the gun is fairly uninspired. Loading is a laborious chore undertaken one round at a time through a swing-open loading gate on the right side with a complex rotating ejection rod that unlocks and aligns with the chamber being emptied. The double-action trigger pull is an atrocious 12 to 20 pounds or so. Additionally, the lightweight 98-grain bullet only moves at around 630 feet per second, making it quite underpowered for serious social work.

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The M1895 Nagant’s telescoping ammo was delightfully weird. It was also greatly underpowered compared to modern revolvers.

The M1895 cylinder holds seven of these weird flat-nosed little rounds. To unload the gun you slide the captive cylinder ejection pin out, rotate the pin housing to the right to orient the sliding pin behind a cylinder, and press the empties out one at a time from the front. Once the gun is dry you can pivot the ejection pin back into place for storage.

M1895 Performance

Load Group Size Velocity
Prvi Partisan 98-gr Solid 2.5″ 628 fps
Group Size is best four of five rounds fired from a simple rest at seven meters and measured center to center. Velocity is the average of three rounds fired across a Caldwell Ballistic Chronograph oriented ten feet from the muzzle.
ammunition performance from nagant revolver
At seven meters fired from a simple rest, this ancient old revolver shot fairly straight. The best 4 out of 5 made a 2.5″ group.

Ruminations

This particular example has some garish splotchy finish loss. The only other time I have seen such a damaged finish was on a shotgun that had gotten splashed with blood during a vigorous hunt. If this gun could talk, I suspect it would tell a compelling tale.

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A German SS trooper with a captured Nagant revolver tucked in his belt during the Russian campaign in early 1942. Image: NARA

Ammo for the M1895 is strange and expensive, but I burned a bit for this project. The Herculean double action trigger pull takes the luster off of the shooting experience, though the single action version is okay. Recoil is trivial, and the gun hits where it’s pointed. In combat, particularly if the primary mission was crowd control rather than proper CQB, it would be better than nothing. Curiously, the odd sealed firing mechanism of the M1895 Nagant makes it one of the world’s few revolvers amenable to a sound suppressor.

This gun was a serendipitous auction find. In addition to the finish issues, the big beak firing pin in the hammer was broken off. In the heady days prior to Putin’s invasion of Ukraine I actually found a guy in Moscow via eBay who sold me a brand new drop-in replacement. In so doing he helped me resurrect a WWII-vintage Russian pistol whose original owner likely died clutching it. It’s indeed a weird old world sometimes.

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Are Bullpup rifles really the future for modern warfare? by Thomas Martin

Let’s take a look at the issue of bullpups now.

The Chinese tried bullpups

The Chinese dropped it, surprisingly fast, at a shocking expense.

The French used bullpups

The French Army replaced it.

The British have continued to keep it, and they’ve stubbornly kept trying to make it workable.

But their professional shooters use something else

The Aussies used bullpups

They moved on to something better, once they got more combat experience.

Their elite opt for something else.

but their REMF’s, combat service support types still use the AUG.

There seems to be a problem and that problem is COMPROMISE.

one is better in a confined space and easy carry, but the other is simply a better hammer.

However, too great a compromise and you have an inferior item.

Relegated-dismissed or assigned to an inferior position.

A designated marksman doesn’t compromise his rifle’s characteristics just to make it easier to carry in vehicles.

nor does a sniper.

At this point, the problems with bullpups are the fact the mechanism is right next to the face and head of the shooter, which is something to overcome for some soldiers, but the main problem is the trigger. With a nation of non shooters, you can get them to accept any crap firearm with bad triggers, because they don’t know better, and you can train them with in that margin, but with shooters that dog don’t hunt. They have little faith in an utterly shit trigger.

The UK has tried to offer their bullpup free to many nations that choose something else or preferred to keep their AK’s, with it’s marginal, but better trigger and ergonomics.

When it comes to mechanical mechanisms, triggers for bullpups are mediocre at best, shit in some cases, it’s because of the lay out.

Eventually, bullpups will overcome this problem and then they’ll be worthwhile, but for now, the first thing that comes to mind when any new bullpup is introduced is the line in a review that mentions the crap trigger. Eventually this major defect will be rectified, but we’re still waiting.

Recently, the US Army, after exhaustive trials, adopted a new rifle and machine gun. It’s fascinating in that extensive combat experience with Infantry engagements has heralded the primary concern-there still is the drastic, essential need for infantry to include riflemen. This was first noted in Iraq with the designated rifle men getting head shots at considerable ranges before the threat could engage troops. This was noted in Afghanistan in the Hills. One of the entrants was a bullpup and it was laughed off, what was simple was shown with the adopted weapon, it has a folding stock. The initial advantage of the bullpup, it’s shorter length in confined spaces like a vehicle is done away with a click of the locking of a collapsible stock being extended or a Folding stock being extended. Click and before the shooting begins, the bullpup is totally inferior.

While there is a MINOR bit of compromise with a folding stock, it’s mitigated by having a good locking mechanism, and that’s not rocket science and that simple aspect negates the advantage of the bullpups compact size with a simple click, and you still have that better trigger.

For the current near future, the considerations were being superior to ‘near peer’ firearms, and that omits any damn bullpup, for range and accuracy and ‘over reach’ which again is about exceeding the range and accuracy of current near peer foes.

Ironically, the M4 eventually will be relegated to regular infantry until enough are made, then combat support and combat service support and continue to soldier on. Just like the bullpups are given to the non shooters and common infantry in the countries unfortunate enough to have jumped on that bandwagon of quirk.

Think about that for a second, the time it takes to go ‘click’ and extend a folding stock, totally negating the advantage of easy transport for a bullpup yet retaining a much better trigger, and all the compromises and problems of a bullpup.

So, to the silly folks arguing against pragmatic reality, <Click!>


There’s a solution that is quite simple. While I’m among the many who abhor the notion of any mechanical part of a firearm being electronic, eventually that might happen to speed up, reduce, enhance, or whatever, dwell time, ignition, rates of fire, etc., and we’re not enamored with the concept because things can go wrong. We’re old enough to have seen what happened when wires replaced with what I’ll crudely call receivers and transmitters for tail rotors on Blackhawks. For a while they were called Crash hawks for a good reason. One might think that as I led Vulcans as an officer, the Vulcan ignition being electronic and critical, I might be more open to electronic firing components to firearms but it’s the opposite, it can go down. A Chief and a mathematician might get angry and irritated at that perception because the actual per round reliability might be higher with the electronic ignition, but the reality is, they’re not being practical and tactical, like a combat arms officer would be, the first round matter the most.

On the flip side, you can make a perceived perfect, precise trigger with electronic ignition and electronic primers and they are relied upon with people’s lives at stake, in higher levels than an individual soldier relying upon his rifle.

Part of a battery is one thing, pilots depend upon electronic ignition with their lives.


In my Sci Fi fiction, the primary weapon carried is a bullpup, one reason for the compromise is fighting in close quarters, and the fact that even for the average infantry men, the primary shoulder arm isn’t his only weapon, but we’re not there yet.