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Editor’s Note: The following is a post by Mark Kakkuri, a nationally published freelance writer who covers guns and gear, 2nd Amendment issues and the outdoors. His writing and photography have appeared in many firearms-related publications, including the USCCA’s Concealed Carry Magazine. You can follow him on Twitter @markkakkuri.
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If you’re a gun owner and haven’t been peppered by questions from others as to why you’re a gun owner, then you’re either very good at keeping your gun ownership under the radar or you live in a rural area with very few people to deal with.
We’ve all experienced our share of questions about guns — with corresponding attitudes ranging from subtle inferences about our sanity to genuine interest in learning more. I try to do my part by helping people learn and even changing antagonistic attitudes when I can. With that, here are the top five questions I get as a gun owner.

1. “Why Do You Need a Handgun/Rifle/Shotgun?”

Sometimes, rather than launching immediately into the rights recognized by the 2nd Amendment — which isn’t necessarily the point of the question, anyway — I start by reversing the question and saying something like this: “Thanks for asking! I am happy to discuss this with you but would like to ask you this: Do you own a fire extinguisher? If so, why?” That’s usually a useful enough contemplation to get them thinking in terms of having defensive tools on hand in the event of an emergency.
Eventually, I try to get the questioner to think in terms of who determines what my needs are, which, of course, is me and not the broader culture, the government, etc. Later, the conversation generally turns to the matter of individual rights, the reality of the world we live in, the inability for police to be in all places at all times and so on.
Sometimes, the question gets asked about a rifle or shotgun from a purely utilitarian perspective. Answering that I simply need the proper tool to hunt deer or waterfowl is often enough. As for the handgun, that usually gets us talking about personal defense and the associated reasons for concealed carry.

2. “So, Self-Defense… Does It Have to Be a Gun?” or “Why don’t you use a blunt force instrument such as …?”

Here, the conversation is progressing, but the questioner is showing his or her bias against guns, in particular, or perhaps his or her ignorance of self-defense techniques in general. I usually find it to be the latter.
Asking “Does it have to be a gun?” might suggest a classic “guns are evil” way of thinking. Typically, the person thinks that attackers using a weapon less than a gun deserve some kind of balanced response from you. A brief review of how weapons function and the proximity required in order for them to be effective usually serves to make the point that a gun is likely going to be the best self-defense weapon choice.

3. “Aren’t You Afraid of Someone Stealing Your Gun?”

This more practical or safety-minded question usually means the person with whom I’m talking has moved a bit toward my position and is now working through other issues related to gun safety. They might still be grasping at straws, trying to make a case against even owning a gun, but this one is easily handled.
Someone who is interested in stealing a gun realizes there is a gun to be stolen. Which means there’s an owner of the gun. Which means there’s likely a defense-minded person who knows how to use it. Which means this will not be an easy theft. Regardless, guns not in use are locked up in a gun safe and not easily stolen anyway.
You’ve seen those clever house signs that say things like, “This house guarded by shotgun three nights a week. You guess which three.” Or, “We don’t use 9-1-1, we use .357.” I don’t recommend such antagonism, but the point is clear: The owner takes his or her responsibility to defend this home very seriously. Violate the property or break-in at your own risk.

4. “Where Is It?” or “How Do You Secure Your Gun In Your Home?”

With these questions, I might be getting some buy-in to the efficacy of owning a firearm from the questioner. I don’t outright answer these questions but simply explain that guns should be safely stored and easily accessible.
There are logistical matters to address in terms of how some gun safes work, where to locate them and so forth, but the main point for the questioner to understand is that the firearm safety rules are always in effect. Often, I’ll explain to a questioner how I carry concealed, even at home, as this provides me with maximum control and accessibility to my gun.

5. “What Is It With Americans and Guns?”

Sometimes this is an antagonistic question. But, sometimes, a person realizes firearms are simply a part of the fabric of American life. With the presentation of a few simple statistics demonstrating how responsibly armed, law-abiding American citizens are not a problem but a solution to a problem, it’s just a short jump to discussing the history of the country and its Constitution.
If the questioner really wants to try to make a point about gun ownership being for the paranoid or some other abnormal worldview or way of thinking, I like to ask if the questioner knows any other gun owners and the extent of their conversations. Usually, there aren’t many — known gun owners or conversations — and the questioner sees how they’ve built a view of gun ownership based not on facts but on speculation.
So, what is it with Americans and guns? We recognize our right to self-defense, gun ownership and use, and our commitment to the 2nd Amendment as a protection for society to continue under principles of freedom.

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Honolulu Police Order Medical Marijuana Cardholders to Surrender Their Firearms

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Honolulu police tell legal marijuana users to turn in their firearms

  • ASSOCIATED PRESS / 2015
    In a letter to about 30 medical marijuana card holders on Oahu, the police said “you have 30 days upon receipt of this letter to voluntarily surrender your firearms.” The letter was signed by Susan Ballard, the new chief of police.

The Honolulu Police Department has told legal marijuana users who own guns that they must turn in their weapons within 30 days.
In a letter to about 30 medical marijuana card holders on Oahu, the police said “you have 30 days upon receipt of this letter to voluntarily surrender your firearms.”
Police have been sending the letters since at least January.

One letter was signed by Susan Ballard, the new chief of police, and dated Nov. 13.
“Your medical marijuana use disqualifies you from ownership of firearms and ammunition,” the letter said.
In the letter, Ballard cites Hawaii Revised Statutes, Section 134-7 (a) as the reason for the move. That section reads: “No person who is a fugitive from justice or is a person prohibited from possessing firearms or ammunition under federal law shall own, possess, or control any firearm or ammunition therefor.”

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Colt Dragoon Revolver

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Colt Dragoon Revolver
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Third Model Dragoon, U.S. Cavalry issued
Type Revolver
Place of origin United States
Service history
In service 1848–60
Used by U.S. and primarily, civiliansalso produced in London Armoury circa 1851–55, Australia
Production history
Designer Samuel Colt
Designed 1848 through 1850
Manufacturer Colt Firearms
Produced c. 1848–1860
No. built about 18,500 in U.S.A.
Variants Walker Transitions, First and Second Models
Specifications
Weight 4 lb 4 ounces (1.9 kg)
Length 14.75 inches (375 mm)
Barrel length 7.5 inches (190 mm)

Caliber .44 ball, revolver (.454 in., dia.)
Action single-action
Muzzle velocity 850–1,100 feet per second depending on powder/projectile
Effective firing range 80 yards
Feed system six-round cylinder
Sights blade front sight, hammer notch rear sight, some with sight mounted on rear of barrel for use with shoulder stock

The Colt Model 1848 Percussion Army Revolver is a .44 caliber revolver designed by Samuel Colt for the U.S. Army’s Regiment of Mounted Rifles. The revolver was also issued to the Army’s “Dragoon” Regiments. This revolver was designed as a solution to numerous problems encountered with the Walker Colt. Although it was introduced after the Mexican-American War, it became popular among civilians during the 1850s and 1860s, and was also used during the American Civil War.

Production[edit]

The Colt Dragoon Revolver was produced with several variations between 1848 and 1860, when the Colt Model 1860 revolver replaced it. All the improvements in design of Colt revolvers were applied to the Dragoons as well to the smaller models of Colt revolvers. Total production of Colt Dragoons including the 1,100 Walkers, from 1847 to 1860: 19,800; plus 750 Dragoons in a separate number range for the British market.[1] For collectors, there are three different types.

Whitneyville Hartford Dragoon Revolver[edit]

Between the Walker and the First model Dragoon, around 240 improved models were produced, barrel length 7 1/2 inch, cylinder 2 3/16 inch. Their general appearance was to that of the production Dragoon models. These were produced between late in 1847 and 1848, serial number range approximately 1100 (the last civilian Walker) through about 1340 (the first Dragoon First Model). These sometimes called “Transition Walker” revolvers were made in two frame variations, the earlier pattern was a Walker carry-over with a cut-out in the back to accommodate the round contour of the grips and the second was straight-backed. Another distinctive detail were the very slender “Slim Jim” grips.

First Model[edit]

The First Model Colt Dragoon Revolver has oval cylinder notches, a V-type mainspring, no wheel on the rear of the hammer, no pins between the nipples on the cylinder and a squareback trigger guard. Colt produced about 7,000 first models between 1848 and 1850.

Second Model[edit]

The Second Model has rectangular cylinder notches. Until the no. 10,000 the V-shaped mainspring was standard and then replaced with a flat leaf mainspring and a wheel on the hammer at its bearing on the mainspring. All the Second Model Dragoons have the squareback trigger guard. The company made about 2,550 Second Models in 1850 and ’51.

Third Model[edit]

The Third Model Dragoon numbers stand at ten-thousand from 1851 through 1860.[2] This design had more variations as compared to its earlier counterparts. Some of the third model Colt Dragoon Revolvers had frame cuts for detachable shoulder stocks, horizontal loading lever latches and folding leaf sights. Third Colt Dragoon Revolvers had a round trigger guard. Government records showed an order for 8,390 Dragoons.[1]

1848 Pocket Pistol[edit]

Other variants included the Colt “1848 Pocket Pistol” now known as the Baby Dragoon, marketed in California with success during the Gold Rush days. With the addition of a loading lever this evolved into the 1849 pocket revolver (see Colt Pocket Percussion Revolvers).[1]

Size[edit]

The Dragoon was produced because of the problems seen with the fielded Colt Walker revolvers, namely, the Walker’s heavy weight, four and a half pounds, making it suitable only for use as a saddle-mounted revolver, the Walker’s propensity for cylinders exploding on occasion when fired (due to the chambers being loaded with too much powder), and the Walker’s habit of dropping the loading lever upon discharge, locking up the revolver action in the middle of combat. The Colt Dragoon Revolver had a comparatively shorter cylinder (thus preventing overloading the cylinder) and held up to 50 grains of powder, whereas the Walker had used up to 60 grains of powder. The Dragoon Revolver had a shorter barrel at 7.5 inches (some later revolvers 8 inches) as compared to the 9 inches (230 mm) barrel on the Walker. A loading lever latch in front of the lever replaced the spring to keep the lever from dropping during recoil, thereby preventing jamming of the revolver. These variations made the Colt Dragoon Revolver 4 pounds two ounces. These changes also reduced the risks of the Colt Dragoon Revolver from exploding when fired, unlike the risk that had been demonstrated with the Walker revolvers.[1]

Popularity[edit]

In the troublesome events that led to the Civil War, Colt Dragoons became extremely popular. In the beginning Colt Dragoon Revolvers were issued for the U.S. Army’s Mounted Rifles. They were carried in pommel holsters on the saddle. The Colt Dragoon Revolver gained popularity among civilians in the Southwest where many had served in the Mexican-American War. The Dragoon became a master weapon for civilians who hailed it as a powerful weapon of the time.
Famous users included Joaquin Murietta, the California bandit, Charley Parkhurst, California teamster, James Douglas Byrd, Town Marshal, Watsonville, California, 1868, Tiburcio Vasquez, Californio bandit, Union general George B McClellan,[3] probably Harriet Tubman of the Underground Railroad, and fictionally Augustus McCrae, in the novel Lonesome Dove, Mattie Ross in the novel True Grit and in the 2010 film version (the 1969 film of that name had Mattie Ross using a Colt Walker revolver, though John Wayne‘s character Rooster referred to it as a Colt’s Dragoon[4]). Charley Parkhurst, while driving freight, was confronted by two bandits whom he dispatched with the Colt Holster Pistol. According to Harper’s Weekly, James Butler (Wild Bill) Hickok arrived in Springfield, Missouri carrying a Dragoon though it is generally accepted that he used a Navy in his street duel with Davis Tutt.[5]

Present[edit]

Firing a brace of Dragoons

The Dragoon is now a collectible arm and sold for high prices.[1]
Non-firing replicas of the Colt 1848 Dragoon were manufactured at Denix in Spain. In 2005, a fire burned down the factory and destroyed the mold for the gun, which has since gone out of production. Denix has since reintroduced the non-firing model of the Colt 1848 Dragoon in Nickel.
Quality Replica Dragoons are currently produced by the Aldo Uberti Company of Brescia, Italy and distributed in the United States by Taylors, Inc.; Cimarron Firearms,and others.[6] They are quite accurate and potentially more powerful than the belt sized revolvers of the same bore diameter. Velocities with .451-457-inch round balls of approximately 141 grains over the full 50 grains of powder frequently show chronographed readings in the 1,000 to 1,100 foot per second range depending upon the powder used.[5]
A cartridge-converted Colt Walker instead of the Colt Dragoon in the book was used in the 1969 film True Grit, as the weapon carried by 14-year-old Mattie, possibly due to the Walker’s larger size. The Dragoon was used in the 2010 Coen Bros. movie as in the original book.

See also[edit]

References[edit]

  1. Jump up to:a b c d e Rick Sapp (2007). Standard Catalog of Colt Firearms. F+W Media, Inc. pp. 35–40. ISBN 978-0-89689-534-8.
  2. Jump up^ Wilson, R.L. “Colt, An American Legend.” New York-London:Artabras, A division of Abbeville Publishing Group 1985
  3. Jump up^ McClellan’s Colt Dragoon at the Smithsonian
  4. Jump up^ “True Grit (1969)”Internet Movie Firearms Database. Retrieved 15 May 2015.
  5. Jump up to:a b Bates, Johnny, Cumpston, Mike (2005)Percussion Pistols and Revolvers, History, Performance and Practical use,Lincoln Nebraska, New York, London:iUniverse Publishers
  6. Jump up^ Dan Shideler (2010). Guns Illustrated: The Latest Guns, Specs & Prices. F+W Media, Inc,. p. 276. ISBN 978-1-4402-1392-2.

4. Flack, Jeremy Rifles and Pistols Florida:Sunburst Books, 1995.

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NEW HAVEN VOLCANIC CARBINE. With a 16" BARREL







Volcanic Repeating Arms
Private
Industry Weapons
Fate Acquired
Predecessor Smith & Wesson Company
Successor New Haven Arms Company
Founded 1855
Founders Horace SmithDaniel B. Wesson
Defunct 1866
Headquarters Norwich, Connecticut – New Haven, ConnecticutUnited States
Key people
Horace SmithDaniel B. WessonBenjamin Tyler HenryOliver Winchester; Courtlandt Palmer
Products RiflesPistolsAmmunition

The Volcanic Repeating Arms Company was a U.S. company formed in 1855 by partners Horace Smith and Daniel B. Wesson to develop Walter Hunt‘s Rocket Ball ammunition and lever action mechanism.
Volcanic made an improved version of the Rocket Ball ammunition, and a carbine and pistol version of the lever action gun to fire it.
While the Volcanic Repeating Arms Company was short lived, its descendants, Smith & Wesson and Winchester Repeating Arms Company, became major firearms manufacturers.

Volcanic Pocket Pistol

Volcanic rifle, 16 1/2 inch barrel

History

The original 1848 “Volition Repeating Rifle” design by Hunt was revolutionary, introducing an early iteration of the lever action repeating mechanism and the tubular magazine still common today.
However, Hunt’s design was far from perfect, and only a couple of prototypes were developed; the only one known is currently in the Firearms Museum in Cody, Wyoming.
Lewis Jennings patented an improved version of Hunt’s design in 1849, and versions of the Jenning’s patent design were built by Robbins & Lawrence Co. (under the direction of shop foreman Benjamin Tyler Henry) and sold by C. P. Dixon.
Horace Smith was also hired by Courtlandt Palmer to improve the Jennings Rifle, patenting the Smith-Jennings in 1851.
It is estimated that fewer than 2000 of these two models were made until 1852, when financial troubles ceased production.[1][2]
In 1854, partners Horace Smith and Daniel B. Wesson joined with Courtlandt Palmer, the businessman who had purchased the Jennings and Smith-Jennings patent rights,[3] and further improved on the operating mechanism, developing the Smith & Wesson Lever pistol, and a new Volcanic cartridge.
Production was in the shop of Horace Smith in Norwich, Connecticut. The new cartridge improved upon the Hunt Rocket Ball with the addition of a primer.
Originally using the name “Smith & Wesson Company”, the name was changed to “Volcanic Repeating Arms Company” in 1855, with the addition of new investors, one of which was Oliver Winchester.
The Volcanic Repeating Arms Company obtained all rights for the Volcanic designs (both rifle and pistol versions were in production by this time) as well as the ammunition, from the Smith & Wesson Company.
Wesson remained as plant manager for 8 months before rejoining Smith to found the “Smith & Wesson Revolver Company” upon obtaining the licensing of the Rollin White rear loading cylinder patent.
Winchester forced the insolvency of the Volcanic Arms Company in late 1856, took over ownership and moved the plant to New Haven, Connecticut, where it was reorganized as the New Haven Arms Company in April 1857.
B. Tyler Henry was hired as plant superintendent when Robbins & Lawrence suffered financial difficulties and Henry left their employ.
While continuing to make the Volcanic rifle and pistol, Henry began to experiment with the new rimfire ammunition, and modified the Volcanic lever action design to use it.
The result was the Henry rifle. By 1866, the company once again reorganized, this time as the Winchester Repeating Arms company, and the name of Winchester became synonymous with lever action rifles.[2][4][5]

In popular culture

In a 2012 episode of Pawn Stars, titled “Bear-ly There”, a .41 caliber Volcanic Repeating Arms pistol was purchased by the Gold & Silver Pawn Shop for $6,500.[6]
A Volcanic repeating rifle is featured in the western movie For a Few Dollars More and is used by the Man with No Nameand El Indio for a brief period of time.[6]
The Volcanic pistol is available as a weapon in Activision‘s Gun and Rockstar Games’ Red Dead Redemption. Under the name “Volcanic Pistol”, a Volcanic pistol appears in Techland’s Call of Juarez and Call of Juarez: Bound in Blood.
It is the most powerful handgun available in both games. The Western-themed card game Bang! also has a Volcanic; it has the shortest range of any gun, but compensates with the unique special ability to fire more than once per turn.[7]
The Rider, the titular character of Edward M. Erdelac‘s Judeocentric Lovecraftian weird west series Merkabah Rider, carries a Volcanic pistol inlaid with gold and silver and bearing various Solomonic talismans and wards, including a jeweled Tree of Sephiroth on the handle.[8]
An 1855 Volcanic pistol was featured during the Sons of Guns season 3 episode “World’s Largest Machine Gun” in 2012.[9]
A Volcanic pistol appears as an unlockable item for the Shinsengumi agent in Total War: Shogun 2 and is available as a starter weapon in Fistful of Frags.[citation needed]
A Volcanic pistol also appears in the PlayStation 2 game Gun.[10]

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Spanish Mauser Model 1943 with a Rare Air Force Crest

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If one wants to build the impossible rifle collection. Then I most highly recommend going for the complete series of the Mauser Rifle Family.
That is if one has the patience of Job, the cash of Bill Gates and an endless amount of time that is. Anyways enjoy! Grumpy
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Remington Model 8 & Model 81 Semi Automatic Rifle

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Now a couple of failed marriages ago. I was giving myself some mental health treatment by making myself scarce. From my home, not so sweet home at the time.
So I followed my Traditional Modus Operandi. By finding myself in one of the Local Gun Traders Shops. I know surprised right? At least guns have never let me down.
Where I spied and bought myself one of these trusty rifles in 300 Savage. For a very cheap price and with a couple of boxes of ammo thrown in to boot.
After the time of waiting imposed by the Peoples REpublic of California. I then retreated to the Local Noise Factory / Rifle Range. Where I put it thru its paces.
Okay I could now B.S. you. By saying that it was the most accurate of rifles & that it gave me key hole accuracy. But that would not be true at all.
But the Red Hot Gospel fact is this. It was a lot of fun to shoot. I can also see why it was used in the Fatal Ambush of Bonnie & Clyde.
The only major problem being that the Sight Picture on it. As its not the best that I have ever used on a Rifle. That and the problem of the high cost and rarity of the ammo.
The other major regret is that I had to sell it and some other guns. In order to pay for my Divorce Lawyer alter on. But you know the old saw. Why is Divorce so expensive? Because its worth it!
 
Their first semi auto rifle

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This picture should show pretty well the compact size of the 81.
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That and the very hard to find Police model with high cap magazine.
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What it’s guts look like
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One of the better pictures of the clean lines of this rifle looks like.
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Here is some more & Better Information about this Spitfire of a Gun!


FUSIL AUTOMATIQUE: The F.N. Modèle 1900

BY: CAMERON WOODALL

 
In Belgium it was known as “La Carabine Automatique Browning”, in Germany it was the “Selbstladebüchse Browning Kaliber 9mm”, but in the United States we know it simply as the F.N. 1900.  If the Remington Model 8 is the grandfather of American semi-automatic sporting rifles, the F.N. 1900 is its European twin.  Produced by the legendary Fabrique Nationale d’ Armes de Guerre (FN) in Belgium, this rifle officially labeled as the “Browning Patent Modèle 1900” was a near identical copy of the American made Autoloading Rifle.  In Europe during the early 20th century, the autoloading platform was seen more as a novelty than something of actual usefulness.  This worked to the Modèle 1900’s advantage and disadvantage respectively.  On one hand the FN encountered very little genuine competition but on the other hand its high price and yet-proven mechanics paved the way for poor sales right from the beginning.  Even still, compared to other European firearms of the day, this rifle was fast shooting and elegantly built.  So distinct and intriguing were these rifles that around 100 saw front-line service in aircraft with the French Aéronautique Militaire in the early days of WWI.
The story begins with John Browning who filed several long-recoil patents not just those in the United States.  German Patentschrift 9996 dated Nov. 25th 1902 is the equivalent of U.S. patent No. 659,786 filed June 6th, 1900 for a “Recoil Operated Firearm”.  The year of this patent is where the Modèle 1900 got its name even though FN didn’t manufacture the rifle until a decade later.  Browning established a friendly relationship with FN in 1902 selling the exclusive rights to his long-recoil rifle (and shotgun) to FN on March 24 of the same year.  FN quickly began producing Auto-5 shotguns, but by 1904 such restrictive importation tariffs had been imposed that FN negotiated with Browning to allow manufacture of his shotgun within the United States.  The Remington Arms Co. was eager to work with John Browning and acquire the rights to manufacture both his autoloading shotgun and his autoloading rifle.  FN was first to introduce the long-recoil shotgun, but it was Remington that first produced John Browning’s long-recoil rifle in 1906 dubbed the “Autoloading Rifle” or more known today as the Model 8.
The arrangement between FN and Remington was that the Model 8 was for sales by and large inside theUnited Statesand the Modèle 1900 would essentially pursue sales to the rest of the world.  Despite the large market, the FN 1900 found its home predominately with hunters in and around Western Europe and Canada.  A page from an undated FN catalog lists the country restrictions imposed on the FN 1900,

“The Browning automatic sporting rifle nr243, cal. 35, cannot, neither directly nor indirectly, be sold in France, Morocco, United States of North America, Poland, Danzig included, Ceylon Isle, Princedom of Bombay, Queensland” (p.8). 

Unfortunately however, the FN 1900 didn’t experience the level of sales as the Remington Model 8.  If convincing American hunters to spend their hard earned dollars on a revolutionary (and expensive!) autoloading rifle was difficult enough, doing the same for the European hunter was almost ludicrous.  The autoloading rifle was just too different.  A translation of the original manual reveals that the key selling points used by FN were the distinct advantages of the autoloading platform over contemporary big game rifles.  One excerpt from the manual,

“In addition the gas pressure is partially employed to operate the automatic mechanism, there is a substantial reduction in recoil and therefore much less fatigue to the hunter who is able to keep his gun at ready for immediate follow- up shots.” (p. 5).

Continuing on FN hyped the Modèle 1900’s superiority to bolt-action rifles in its rate of fire and perceived recoil, and superiority to double rifles in its consistent shot placement with repeated firing and moderate cost.  Regardless of any advantages the FN 1900 may have had over other rifles, its sales did not reflect this and limited production makes this rifle quite uncommon today.
 
 
 
 

         FN Production

undated FN catalog – Courtesy Tom Ramsey

Only 4,913 Modèle 1900’s were ever manufactured.  Compared to the Model 8’s production run of nearly 70,000, that’s more than 14 Model 8’s for every 1 FN 1900.  According to FN catalogs, the Modèle 1900 was introduced in 1910 and officially dropped from the product line in 1929.  Other sources reveal 32 rifles were sold between 1930-1936, probably clean up rifles from leftover parts.

 

In 1911 the U.S. equivalent price of the FN 1900 was $57, nearly double the cost of a standard “A” grade Model 8.  To put it more into perspective, for $3 more than the cost of an FN 1900, the American hunter could have had an engraved Model 8D “Peerless”.  Examination of existing rifles verifies that production began with serial number 1 up to 4913.  Case in point is FN serial number 5, with a gorgeous, high grade European walnut stock!  This rifle may be from the first day of manufacture and is indicative that production began with #1 and continued on.

FN #5 – Courtesy of the Creamer Collection

Below is a breakdown of FN production published by Fire! Magazine (1996).

 
 
 
It’s often wondered how did so many surviving FN’s wind up in theUnited States.  The F.N.’s here today did not come from any one place.  It is known that some were vet bring-backs from two World Wars and at least a few were imported by Val Browning into theU.S.  Since the FN was exported toCanadamany have made their way south of the border.
 
 
 
 
 
 
 

          Describing the F.N. 1900

 
Produced with the same old-world craftsmanship as the Remington, these rifles are a testament to Fabrique Nationale’s wordwide reputation for manufacturing high quality firearms.  It doesn’t take a scrupulous eye to notice there were probably more hours of labor involved in producing the FN over the Remington.  A close inspection and disassembly of both the FN and Remington rifles will reveal a significantly superior fit and finish with the version made in Belgium, even over 1st year production Model 8’s.

 
The FN came in two versions, neither of which were a higher “grade” than the other.  One version had a standard barrel jacket like the Model 8, the other a solid barrel rib running the length of the jacket.
 
Below is a list of features unique to the FN Browning Patent 1900,

–      Stocks and forearms were made of European walnut hand cut checkered to 20 lines per inch
–      Buttstocks were round knob semi-pistol grip style.
–         Buttplates were made of horn, identical to the A5 shotgun.  2 versions were used throughout production.
–         Forearms are similar to the Model 8 with a less pronounced schnabel tip.
–         Observed firing pins are of the early Model 8 style with no firing pin spring or firing pin buffer spring.
–         Offered in only 1 chambering, “calibre 9mm” equivalent to the 35 Remington.
–         Front and rear sling swivels came standard.
 
 

mid-production FN #24XX – Woodall Collection

 
 

 
Barrel Rib Version
 
The very earliest and the very latest FN’s have ribbed barrel jackets.  This version is undoubtedly the most unique, although it’s also the most common.  The solid rib is 8.75mm in width and runs from the jacket head all the way to the end of the barrel jacket.  It was soldered on which means disassembly of the jacket head from the jacket is not possible, but this also means there’s no potential for loosening of the jacket from the head, a problem common with Model 8’s & 81’s.
 
The purpose of this rib, as with shotguns, is quick acquisition of moving targets.  It was common in the early 1900’s for European hunters to flush game from cover and make shots on the running animal.  Hence the reason these versions have a two position flip rear sight dovetailed into the barrel rib.  One position, 1.5mm in width, is for precise shots like on typical sights, the other is a wider notch at 4.25mm intended for swinging on moving targets.  According to the FN manual, the position for standard shooting is set for 100 meters.  This whole concept wasn’t something that appealed much to the American hunter of the day, but seeing as these rifles were sold primarily inEuropeit was a great marketing tool.

 

 

Plain Barrel Jacket Version

This version though less unique in appearance is considerably scarce, thus according to the 2011 Blue Book a 15% increase in value should be added over the barrel rib version.  Still auction prices for the two versions are about the same and many collectors prefer the ribbed version over this one because it’s more distinctive from a Model 8.  The earliest recorded plain jacket FN during this study was #11XX, and no plain jacket FN’s were observed beyond the 2900 serial number range suggesting that it was only available for a limited time during the first 10 years of production.   It’s estimated from studying serial numbers that this version accounts for 15% or less of all FN’s produced.
 
The tangent rear sight on this version is marked with adjustable gradients from 100-500 meters.  Front sights are different than the version with the barrel rib.

 
 
 
 
 
 
 

Subtle Differences

 
 

Spending some time comparing the Remington Model 8 and the FN 1900 will reveal just as many differences and similarities.  While many parts are interchangeable between the two rifles, many are not and a select few of the ones unique to the FN are pictured below.
OPERATING HANDLE – The operating handle is unique to the FN and one of the more noticeable differences.  Operating handles of both the Remington and FN consist of 4 parts, the operating handle body, the operating handle bushing, the operating handle plunger, and the plunger spring.  The FN differs in that its operating handle body has fine knurling for better grip and its bushing does not require a special tool for disassembly like the Model 8.  Both operating handles are removed from the bolt carrier assembly in the same fashion.

 

Difference between FN (left) and Model 8 (right) operating handle arms.

It was once thought that the FN was manufactured with more than one operating handle since some variations have been noticed.  The peculiar consistency is that all are modifications done as a result of a missing operating handle bushing.  As previously stated, this part did not require a special tool to disassemble like the Model 8.  Furthermore the FN’s bushing is not recessed into the bushing body like the Model 8, thus it is exposed and more likely to back out of its threads under normal use.  Being such a small part, logic would assume it was easily lost and thus modifications to the handle would have to be made to keep the plunger in place.  During this study both the lowest serial number rifle and the highest had the same operating handle.  All period advertisement and manuals depict this operating handle and bushing.
SAFETY LEVER – While the Model 8 was manufactured with 3 different safety levers throughout production, the FN had only one and it is unique to this rifle.  The two are not directly interchangeable without modification.  The FN lever is .10” longer across the top.
MAGAZINES – The magazine box of the FN is of the early pattern Model 8 magazine with no side springs.  As pointed out by Ed Furler Jr. in the 2nd Qtr 1994 RSA Journal, the magazine guide ribs (vertical slots) are ¼” of an inch shorter in the FN compared to Model 8’s.
 
 
 

FN magazine (top) has shorter guide ribs than the Model 8 (bottom)

 
RECEIVERS – The front face of the FN receiver is less recessed where the barrel takedown screw engages.  This is not obvious until a Model 8 and an FN are placed side by side.

Since the operating handle arm of an FN is narrower, the groove in the receiver wherein the operating handle moves back and forth is narrower in an FN.
 
There is no provision for tang sights.  FN’s did not come from the factory with a pre-drilled tang sight screw hole like the Model 8.  Occasionally FN’s may be found with tang sights installed but these were done sometime after production.  Four during this study were observed.
TANG SCREW SET SCREW – The FN saw the use of a set screw to help secure the tang screw in place.  This same design can be found on FN produced Browning A5 shotguns.
EXTRACTORS – Unmarked extractors were used which differ just slightly from the Remington version.
 

 
 
 
 
FOREARM TAKEDOWN SCREWS – a simple flathead takedown screw was used as opposed to Remington’s swivel type.
 
BARRELS –
           
            ABSENT CALIBER MARKINGS – The Model 8 always had its caliber marked in one of two places (either hand engraved on top of the jacket head or roll stamped on the barrel extension), but the  FN 1900 came without an external caliber designation.  If the barrel jacket is disassembled, a “35” is sometimes stamped on the barrel to specify bore diameter.
           MILLED BARREL EXTENSION – The FN barrel extension has a milled locking lug recess slightly different than the Remington made Model 8.  Pictured here with a 1908 Model 8 barrel for comparison, the milled recess is obvious was probably cut to increase clearance of the extractor or increase reliability of brass ejection.
 
 
 

Barrel extension milling: Model 8 (top) and FN 1900 (bottom).

 
 
 
 
 
BUTTPLATES – The FN was manufactured with 2 buttplates, both of which were at some point used on the FN produced Browning A5 shotgun.  The early FN buttplate was used at least up until the 2900 serial number range, while the “Browning Automatic” buttplate was used on all later rifles.  According to sources on FN firearms, these early buttplates were made of either horn or hard rubber.
 

FN BUTTPLATES – Courtesy of Corey Creamer

 
 
 
 
 
 
 

 Variations in Forearm Checkering

After observing FN’s across a broad range of serial numbers, it appears they came with 3 variations of forearm patterns.  The majority of period catalogs and advertisements portray the first pattern pictured below. This pattern is found on the earliest rifles and as late as the 3800 serial number range.  Checking can be single or double bordered.
1ST STYLE PATTERN

 
 
 
2ND STYLE PATTERN
This slight variation is transitional and found on some rifles between the 2900 and 3300 serial number range.
 

 
 
 
 
3RD STYLE PATTERN
Somewhere between the 3300-3800 serial range, Fabrique Nationale changed forearm checkering to the pattern below.  This pattern continued to the end of production and was found on the very latest rifles in this study, #488X and #489X.

 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 

 
 
 
 
 

                                   A Glance at F.N. Markings

 
As customary for European firearms, the FN rifles came with a series of markings from theLiegeproof house.  Some of these markings are visible, some are hidden, but a close look will turn up markings all over the rifle.  The test rifle for this inspection was a late production FN with barrel rib, #4319.  Disassembly of the barrel and receiver was conducted.  As is consistent with many other FN produced firearms, the serial number on this rifle was found stamped in numerous places to name a few: the receiver, trigger plate (lower tang), forearm, stock, bolt, bolt carrier (3 locations), operating handle, barrel jacket, barrel and even the tang screw.
 
The following is a description of some of these markings and their meaning found on our test rifle.
 

 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 

Special Grade F.N. 1900’s

Since FN did not have its own engraving department setup until 1926, engraved Modele 1900’s are exceedingly rare.  One indication that the factory consigned the job is that the exterior proofs were relocated to accommodate the artisan’s work, something only FN could have done.  Three engraved FN 1900’s were observed during this study, all in a private collection in the United States.
The first rifle has almost 100% scroll coverage on the receiver, safety lever, trigger plate, magazine, buttplate, and barrel jacket.  This rifle is also featured in John Henwood’s book, “The Great Model 8 & 81”.  Notice the proof and inspector stamps were left off the receiver profiles as to not deter from the gorgeous engraving!  The author knows of no other FN, Model 8, or Model 81 as highly embellished as this rifle.

Highly engraved FN – Courtesy of the Creamer Collection

Another example features extensive engraving and game scenes on both sides of the receiver (pictured below).  Note the proof and inspector stamps are moved from the front shoulder of the receiver to beside the factory roll marks.

A beautifully engraved FN #37XX – Courtesy of the Creamer Collection

 
 
 
This FN features gold line engraving and is thought to be made by FN for a World’s Fair exhibition.  It’s stock was made with “cheeks” not unlike Pre-WWI Model 8’s.
 
 

FN # 36XX – Courtesy of the Creamer Collection

 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 

The elusive Straight Grip F.N. 1900

 
 
Perhaps the most uncommon version of the FN 1900 is the straight grip stock.  FN manuals depict a straight grip version in both the parts breakdown and the rifle function illustration.  It’s not known how many straight grip rifles were manufactured, but only one is known in a private collection in the United States.  This featured rifle (# 48XX) was originally from Val. A. Browning’s personal collection and interestingly enough was special ordered with set screws for the barrel lock screw, bolt carrier latch screw, and the trigger plate screw on the left side of the receiver!  The trigger plate on this rifle is not a Model 8 part, it is Belgian made with a set screw retaining the tang screw.  Its receiver markings are in a different font than standard production FN’s.
 

Straight Grip 1900 as depicted in the FN manual

 

Val A. Browning’s straight grip FN – Courtesy of the Creamer Collection

 
 
 
 
 
 
 

F.N. Accessories: Disassembly Tool and Cartridge Clips

One of the more ingenious features of the FN 1900 was its barrel jacket disassembly tool.  In FN manuals this tool is pictured demonstrating proper barrel assembly takedown.  Instead of a thin, fragile spanner wrench as used with the Model 8, this tool uses a set screw to engage the barrel nut and also notches to engage the jacket bushing simultaneously.  Both parts can be removed with clockwise rotation of the T handles without fear of the components flying across the room under spring tension!  The manual instructs the user to employ the tool first by loosening the barrel jacket bushing then use the set screw to engage and remove the barrel nut and jacket bushing together.  Only one example of this special tool is known in a private collection in Germany. It is pictured below along with an image from the FN manual.

Courtesy of Dr. Dirk Zeising

 
 
 
FN cartridge clips are extremely rare.  Demonstration of the clip is pictured in the FN manual and is of similar construction to the early brass Remington Model 8 clips with a single pair of stop ears.  The author was able to locate only one FN cartridge clip in a private collection in the USA.
 

Chargement du magasin (loading the magazine)

 

FN cartridge clip – Courtesy of Tom Ramsey

 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 

Case Study Points

 
– A total of 95 FN rifles were studied ranging from a single digit serial number to 4,89X.
– 21 rifles were without barrel ribs (approx 24%).
– 16 countries were represented from the serial numbers studied.
– Over 50% of the rifles observed were in private collections in the USA.
– 3 rifles had factory endorsed engraving with a possible 1 in addition
 
 
 
 
 
 

References and Further Reading

 
– The Other Model 8 Autoloader: E.F. Furler, Jr.  RSA Journal 2nd Quarter 1994
– La Carabine Automatique de Chasse Browning: Michel Druart.  Fire! #27, July-August 1996
– Selbstladegewehr Browning 1900: Dr. Dirk Zeising. Deutsches Waffen Journal, December 2009.
– The Great Remington 8 and Model 81 Autoloading Rifles: John Henwood
– FN Browning Armorer to the World: Gene Gangarosa, Jr.
– Browning: Sporting Arms of Distinction 1903-1992: Matt Eastman
– Remington’s Model 8 & 81 Rifles: Pete Dickey. American Rifleman July 1990.
 

 
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Remington Model 8

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Remington Model 8
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Remington Model 8 semi-automatic rifle.
Type Rifle
Place of origin United States
Service history
Used by Federal Bureau of Investigation
Production history
Designer John Browning
C.C. Loomis [1]
Manufacturer Remington Arms
Produced 1906–1911 (Remington Autoloading Rifle)
1910–1929 (FN Model 1900)
1911–1936 (Model 8) [1]1936–1950 (Model 81) [2]
No. built 26,000 (Remington Autoloading Rifle)
4,913 (FN Model 1900)
80,600 (Model 8) [1]
55,581 (Model 81) [2]
Specifications
Weight 8 lb (3.6 kg) [3]
Length 41.1 in (104 cm)
Barrel length 22 in (56 cm)

Cartridge .25 Remington
.30 Remington
.32 Remington
.35 Remington
.300 Savage[1]
Action recoil-operated
Feed system Fixed 5 round box magazine,(5-,10-,15-round box magazine)

The Remington Model 8 is a semi-automatic rifle designed by John Browning and produced by Remington Arms.[4] Originally introduced as the Remington Autoloading Rifle in 1906, the name was changed to the Remington Model 8 in 1911.[5]

History[edit]

On October 16, 1900, John Browning was granted U.S. Patent 659,786 for the rifle, which he then sold to Remington.[6] Outside the U.S., this rifle was made by Fabrique Nationale of Liege, Belgium, and marketed as the FN Browning 1900.[6] Under an agreement between Remington and FN, the Model 8 would be sold in the US while the FN 1900 would be sold elsewhere. Despite having a larger market, the FN 1900 was sold predominately to hunters in and around Western Europe and Canada.[6] Because of the new and yet unproven nature of the autoloading rifle, the FN model never experienced the same level of sales as the Model 8. Cameron Woodall of The Great Model 8, a website dedicated to the rifle, postulates that this was likely due to the difficulty convincing European hunters to spend money on an expensive rifle that few people had ever seen before.[6] Due to lackluster sales, only 4,913 Model 1900s were ever produced compared to the over 80,000 Model 8s produced.[6]

Design and features[edit]

The Remington Model 8 rifle is long recoil-operated and uses a rotating bolt head. After firing, the barrel and bolt, still locked together, move rearward inside the receiver and compress two recoil springs. Then the bolt is held back while the barrel is returned forward by one of the springs permitting extraction and ejection. Once the barrel is returned, the bolt is returned forward by the second spring; in so doing it picks up a fresh round from the magazine and chambers it. The Remington Model 8 has a fixed 5-shot magazine and bolt hold-open device which engages after the magazine is empty. It is a takedown design, meaning that the barrel and receiver are easily separated with no tools, allowing for a smaller package for transport.
Remington created four new calibers for the Model 8 rifle: .25 Remington.30 Remington.32 Remington and .35 Remington.[4] These cartridges were rimless designs to allow reliable feeding from box magazines. The Model 8 was offered in five grades of finish (Standard, Special, Peerless, Expert and Premier) [7] and was the first truly reliable medium power semiautomatic rifle ever commercialized (1906).[5]

Use[edit]

The primary market for the Model 8 was sport hunting. The Model 8 was used as a police gun, modified to use detachable extended capacity magazines, among other changes. While often thought to not have seen use in World War I, it actually did see service in Europe[8] in very small numbers. It is noted as the rifle of choice of famed Texas Ranger Frank Hamer.[4]Hamer’s rifle was a customized .35 Remington Model 8 with a special-order 15-round magazine from Petmeckey’s Sporting Goods store in AustinTexas. He was shipped serial number 10045, and this was just one of at least two Model 8s used in the ambush of Clyde Barrow and Bonnie Parker.[4] The rifle was modified to accept a “police only” 20-round magazine obtained through the Peace Officers Equipment Company in St. Joseph, Missouri[9]

Variants[edit]

Model 81 Woodsmaster[edit]

In 1936, Remington dropped the Model 8 and introduced the Model 81 Woodsmaster with improvements by C.C. Loomis.[4] The Model 81 was offered in .300 Savage and the .25 Remington chambering was dropped after a limited number of 81s were chambered in this round. It was offered in Standard (81A), Special (81B), Peerless (81D), Expert (81E) and Premier (81F) grades.[7] The Federal Bureau of Investigation acquired some Model 81 rifles chambered for .30 Remington and .35 Remington in response to the 1933 Kansas City Massacre.[10] Production of the Model 81 ceased in 1950.

References[edit]

  1. Jump up to:a b c d “Model 8 Autoloading Centerfire Rifle”. Remington Arms. Retrieved 26 December 2012.
  2. Jump up to:a b “Model 81 Woodsmaster Autoloading Centerfire Rifle”. Remington Arms. Retrieved 26 December 2012.
  3. Jump up^ Miller, David. The History of Browning Firearms. p. 75
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Marlin Hammer Pump Shotgun Disassembly in Pictures

Postby Bob Smalser » Sun Nov 29, 2009 8:00 pm

I thought I’d write up a few of these that aren’t in the disassembly manuals as they come along.
The gun depicted here is a Model 30G in 20 gauge I restored for use by a grandchild. Sold under a hardware store label of National Firearms Company circa 1915, it has the new model recoil safety lock and pinch-block takedown, but retains the simpler wood and forearm styles of the older Models 16 and 1898. The basic mechanism however, is sufficiently close to other Marlin Hammer Pumps that this can serve as a general guide for disassembly of Models 1898, 16, 17, 19, 21, 24, 26, 42 and 49.
Avoid ordering parts unless you are sure you need them, as old guns can be so jammed with century-old oil turned to hard varnish and mixed with concreted powder residue and fragments of paper shell crimps that a detailed cleaning may be all the gun requires. They all benefit from a thorough soaking in Kroil or other thin penetrating fluid to free up frozen screws and pins. Just try to keep the oil out of the inletting.
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Insure the gun is unloaded and the bore is clear. Remove the stock bolt and carefully pull off the buttstock. If you don’t take down the gun first you’ll have better control to gently strike the comb and pistol grip of a reluctant stock alternately with the heel of your hand to prevent the racking that can spit the edges of the inletting. Plus leaving the forearm slide mounted until it’s time to remove the bolt will aid the safety and function checks you’ll perform during disassembly.
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My fingers are pointing to the trigger guard screw on the left and the recoil safety lock screw on the right. Loosen the recoil lock screw but don’t remove it yet.
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Remove the tension on the hammer. Loosen its mounting screw slightly, compress the hammer spring using your fingers and pull it aside from the roller block on the bottom of the hammer. Then remove the hammer screw and pull the screw from the frame, leaving the hammer loosely in place for now.
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Remove both trigger guard screws, pull the trigger guard assembly from the bottom of the frame, reinstall the screws in the trigger guard and the stock bolt screw to keep track of them and set it aside. Pull the loose hammer out the bottom of the frame, remount its screw correctly oriented in its mating hole to keep track of it, and also set it aside.
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Note the relationships between the carrier on the left, the recoil lock in the center, the locking bolt atop them, and the safety sear (photo below) still mounted in the frame on the right. Pulling the knurled surface of the recoil lock arm to the rear unlocks the locking bolt above it. Then gently racking the slide arm rearward clicks the bolt out of battery, and moves the carrier downward to pick up the next shell until the carrier arm strikes the shaft of the recoil lock screw. This serves as the rearward bolt stop, which is useful to understand in diagnosing any later problems.
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Remount the hammer without the trigger guard and observe the interface between the safety sear and hammer. The hammer has three notches….the upper notch is engaged by the safety sear until the bolt moves forward and locks into battery, whereby a cam slot milled into the bottom of the bolt engages the cam on the top of the spring-loaded safety sear, disengaging it and allowing the hammer to engage the trigger/sear with the full and half cock notches on the lower end of the hammer.
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The safety sear can be removed now. It has an integral leaf spring beneath it and pressure should be applied on it with a finger to loosen and pull its screw.
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The recoil lock is spring loaded by a plunger that interfaces with the trigger guard frame, and a separate spring-loaded cam on its upper, inside surface that interfaces with a cam slot milled into the carrier.
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It functions as an inertia block and must be free to pivot on its shaft. As the gun is fired the frame recoils and the block tips forward, unlocking the locking arm hook from its mating cutout on the bolt, freeing the bolt to be clicked out of battery and racked to the rear using the slide handle. If the shell hangs fire (which is rare today but was common a century ago), the inertia block doesn’t move and the hook prevents the bolt from being racked out of battery without the shooter (hopefully) pausing to think about what happened and wait the required 30 seconds before manually depressing the knurled surface of the locking arm to cycle the action.
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Note the hook faces rearward, and the block, cam and carrier/frame mating surfaces are polished for easy movement. The plunger and cam have coil springs and are mounted using pins that facilitate removal for spring replacement and cleaning. When remounting, avoid over tightening the screw.
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At the center inside surface of the carrier arm you can see the cutout for the recoil lock’s upper cam. The carrier is removed by dismounting its screw, lifting the arm and pulling it rearward to disengage its positioning slot from the round stud it mates with on the inside link of the locking bolt. Also note if you cycle the bolt rearward, there is no longer a bolt stop mounted and the carrier mating stud will disengage from the track at the rear of the carrier, yet the carrier will appear normal. Try this a few times to see the relationships, as this can cause problems during reassembly.
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Now is time to take down the gun. Grab and squeeze the pinch block and pull the magazine tube forward until the left-side detent pin projects outward to hold it in place. Insure the bolt is in battery and pull the slide arm forward and out, disengaging it from the locking bolt link and out of the receiver. Note that the tube’s mounting screw and its corresponding bug (locking) screw are now exposed for further disassembly….the bug screw is removed first and can be accessed by grasping the pinch block and sliding the tube forward slightly. The tube should look like the top photo below.
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Loosen the adjusting collar by backing out its screw and if tight, tapping it with a brass hammer. The collar and barrel threads are left-handed, so turn them to the right to loosen and remove the barrel assembly.
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Remove the bolt by clicking it out of battery, pulling it all the way to the rear, and rotating the bolt’s tail to the right laterally and clockwise out of the bolt opening. The gun’s locking lug is the rear face of the frame at the bolt opening. If it or its mating surface at the rear of the locking bolt appear to be dinged up or worn, take the gun to a qualified smith and have the headspace checked before test firing. Here I’ve left the safety sear in so you can see the cam that interfaces with a corresponding shaped slot on the bottom of the locking bolt. The vertical slot next to it is the cutout for the carrier arm. Beneath the tip of the pointer is a stopped slot that can make removing and installing the bolt assembly difficult. On the outside of the locking bolt link there is a corresponding stud (photo below) that must be both in the correct position and rotated into that slot for the bolt to fit its track without jamming.
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The bolt assembly as it appears when locked into battery and ready to fire. The locking lug on the frame mates with the entire rear end of the locking bolt as depicted by the pointer. Also note the cutout on the rear of the locking bolt for the recoil safety hook, and the rectangular stud (mentioned in the above paragraph) milled as part of the bolt link above the slide-arm mortise. The stud is there to insure the bolt cannot move in and out of battery except where the frame has a cutout that permits the stud to change its angle. In battery is the only position where the firing pin should project beyond the bolt face, otherwise the pin is broken. Check that. Also note the shape of the slide arm mortise that forms the major part of the bolt link, and how it interfaces with its corresponding round stud milled into the end of the slide arm.
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The bolt as it appears when out of battery. Note the rectangular stud on the link is now parallel to the corresponding slot in the frame….the bolt must be out of battery to mount and dismount from the frame. In this position the firing pin should be blocked from projecting beyond the bolt face. Check that, too. Before further disassembly, click the locking bolt in and out of battery a few times to note how its spring-loaded catch functions.
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Disassemble the bolt by removing the smaller bug screw and screw-slotted pin on the right side, separating the locking and the breech bolt sections. Note how the one-piece firing pin is oriented in the breech bolt, and that the locking bolt and link is a one-piece forging.
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The firing pin is removed by driving out its mounting pin at the rear of the breech bolt. Once removed, note the mating slot for that pin to facilitate reassembly.
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Note the two extractor mounting pins in the breech bolt. The right-hand pin also simultaneously captures the locking bolt catch and its coil spring in a corresponding slot in the catch housing.
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The safest method to disassemble the extractors for cleaning is to place the breech bolt in a drill press vise or C-clamp to prevent losing parts by sudden release of spring tension. The bolt in the photo is from a Model 31, but the same relationships apply.
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The same Model 31 bolt with the extractors removed and their corresponding mortises cleaned. I don’t recommend omitting this task, as mortises that appear clean enough from the outside are often full of crud and even bits of paper shell crimp, and dirty extractors that apply unequal pressure to the sides of the rim either on the forward or rearward stroke can cause a number of malfunctions not otherwise explained.
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The ejector is removed by simply lifting it out of its corresponding mortise in the frame. Note it has an integral leaf spring on the back and is captured in place only by the breech bolt riding correctly in its frame slots. It can be a serious source of jamming if the spring is broken or the bolt is forced into place out of track. Some Marlin models have a screw that holds the rear of the ejector in place. This is the most vulnerable spring in the gun, because raindrops entering an open bolt easily seep into the mortise and rust the spring, eventually causing it to break. Broken or partially broken ejector springs can appear to function normally yet can be the source of a number of unexplained problems, so like the extractors, don’t fail to remove, clean and check it thoroughly. Numrich carries new-made replacements, but are oversize and require fitting.
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The cartridge stops also have leaf springs integral to their rear surfaces, and also require removal to clean beneath them. Removal is via a fine, top-threaded screw with a shaft on its lower end that fits into a hole on the opposite side of the cartridge stop mortise in the frame. The screw is fragile and disassembly requires a jeweler’s screwdriver. Scrape any crud out from the top of the screwhead and clean the slot using a sharp ice pick before soaking for several days in Kroil or other thin penetrating fluid before attempting to dismantle.
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Study the relationships between the stops to prevent confusion upon reassembly. Some Marlin models have a one-piece stop, this model has a two-piece stop.
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Final disassembly of the trigger guard assembly for cleaning is straightforward. The trigger-sear spring is held by a screw accessed after removing the hammer spring, the gun’s sear is the tip of the trigger, and the trigger is held in place by a pin through the frame.
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Final disassembly of the barrel assembly is also straightforward, here showing the relationship of the pinch block parts, with the magazine tube spring and follower still in the tube.
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The forearm must be removed to dismount the forend slide from the magazine tube. This model has three mounting screws in escutcheons held in place by bug screws, later models have a full-length steel tube and the wood captured by a forend cap nut with fine, right-hand threading. A padded set of large pliers is often required to remove these cap nuts, sometimes without success. Be prepared to clean and even refinish around them rather than break the fragile forearms, which are difficult to find or turn replacements on the lathe. If your forearm wood is missing or hopeless, Wenig may have one in their CNC stock-milling software and may be able to make one for you. Model 12/97 replacement forearms are common, can be had in the 30-dollar range and may be an option, although the tube diameters are slightly different between Winchester and Marlin.
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The last step is optional, which is to drive off the dovetailed magazine band from right to left using a brass punch in order to facilitate cleaning around it.
Reassembly Reminders:
The bolt is reinserted out of battery, but must be pressed all the way forward and clicked into battery for the remainder of the reassembly.
The bolt is reinserted link first from the right side of the frame with the rear of the bolt held outboard so the rectangular stud on the link can be moved forward sufficiently to engage its stopped slot in the frame. At the same time, press the ejector into its mortise in the frame and hold it place with your finger to insure it remains in its correct position.
When the pump arm pulls the bolt forward, it should automatically click the bolt into battery.
Reinstall the secondary sear after the bolt, but before the bolt is clicked into battery.
Click the bolt into battery by pushing on the front of the locking bolt link before installing the carrier. Install the carrier by engaging the front of the carrier slot into the round stud on the inside link of the locking bolt and sliding the carrier forward until its screw hole aligns with the frame.
When installing the recoil lock, don’t tighten the screw until the trigger guard is reinstalled and then tighten it only lightly.
The Model 1898 Marlin enjoyed a poor reputation because supposedly an overloaded shell fired in the original design allowed the bolt to exit the rear of the receiver, striking the shooter. I don’t know about the original design, but to accomplish that with this gun, it would have to (1) fire out of battery and the (2) forged carrier arm, the (3) recoil lock screw shaft, and the (4) forged locking bolt link would all have to break…a practical impossibility. While the steel in these is softer than in modern-made guns and the barrels are thinner and lighter, if in good condition, properly maintained, and checked by a qualified gunsmith beforehand, I don’t hesitate to use them with a light diet of low-pressure loadings and lead (never steel) shot. They are certainly as safe as the fabled Model 12’s and Model 97’s of similar vintage few have second thoughts about shooting. Guns of any make I would hesitate shooting without further evaluation include those with dinged or worn locking lugs, badly pitted bores, short chambers, badly dented or bulged barrels, twist or Damascus barrels and those made before 1900 and proofed only for black powder.
Last is a reminder that these old pump guns are all “slam-fire” guns that lack the trigger disconnects present on modern guns. Hold the trigger back and the gun fires immediately as the bolt goes into battery. This makes them faster to shoot, but entirely unforgiving about lack of trigger discipline. Insure you and your students keep fingers out of trigger guards until ready to shoot. While the older Marlin hammerless pumps have their safety catches inside the trigger guard and are often called ”slam-fire guns with suicide safeties”, remember that because they cycle straight to the full-cock notch, all the hammer guns are “slam-fire guns with no safeties”.
Additional References: http://marauder.homestead.com/files/Marlin98s.htm
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